Intel to launch 6 core Coffee Lake-S CPUs & Z370 chipset 5 October 2017

[gavinh87]

Assuming the information is true, why would intel give the i3 more threads and a higher clock speed than the i5?
I know cores>threads but this is very unlike intel.

 

[Cooper]

So basically an evolved Z170 with an artificial lockout?? So I assume the Z370 won't work with Coffeelake??

Z370 is obviously a way of having plenty of Motherboards available for launch, with like you said,some sort of simple lockout on a Z270 board in the factory and re-branded in Z370 packaging, whilst the Z390 is what was meant to be the proper Mobo release in Q1 2018, but looks like they weren't going to be ready in time for Intel's new, accelerated release schedule.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Z370 is obviously a way of having plenty of Motherboards available for launch, with like you said,some sort of simple lockout on a Z270 board in the factory and re-branded in Z370 packaging, whilst the Z390 is what was meant to be the proper Mobo release in Q1 2018, but looks like they weren't going to be ready in time for Intel's new, accelerated release schedule.

The thing is there was no reason to launch the Z270 either,so this is getting a bit silly!!

 

[Simon Belmont]

Just reading that article it looks like the Z370 is a refresh of the KabyLake chipset and the chipset meant for CoffeeLake (Z390) won't be released until the start of 2018.

z370 is coffelake, cannonlake is the refresh z390. z390 cannonlake coming feb or march 2018

Using socket 1151v2 I hear?

 

[Cooper]

z370 is coffelake, cannonlake is the refresh z390. z390 cannonlake coming feb or march 2018

Using socket 1151v2 I hear?

Yes, but it looks like only Z390 boards will be able to accept cannonlake.

Early adopters of Coffeelake, who can't wait for Z390 boards in Q1 2018, will have no upgrade path...which is quite ridiculous (if the reports are correct)

 

[Simon Belmont]

Yes, but it looks like only Z390 boards will be able to accept cannonlake.

Early adopters of Coffeelake, who can't wait for Z390 boards in Q1 2018, will have no upgrade path...which is quite ridiculous (if the reports are correct)

What? What the hell is Intel thinking?

 

[gavinh87]

What? What the hell is Intel thinking?

You sound surprised by this......

 

[kitfit1]

You sound surprised by this......

It seems that Intel has decided on a path of self destruction that it refuses to move from.

 

[Simon Belmont]

You sound surprised by this......

I am. Didn't read the whole artice, but though cannonlake would work on z370? If this is the case I might wait then.

Will wait for proper info before making decision

 

[gavinh87]

It seems that Intel has decided on a path of self destruction that it refuses to move from.

Its a very arrogant attitude they appear to have. They think customers will purchase it regardless, even despite having competition now.
1 cpu per mobo is not very cost effective for manufacturers or consumers.

 

[SiDeards73]

Its a very arrogant attitude they appear to have. They think customers will purchase it regardless, even despite having competition now.
1 cpu per mobo is not very cost effective for manufacturers or consumers.

Unfortunately this is the case, Simon Belmont above is a prime example of this, regardless of the guff Intel will shovel out the door, he will still only buy Intel, and he is not alone in this. There are many many many people who are brand biased or refuse to buy AMD as they deem them inferior for various reasons, i hate Nvidia but bought a 1070 as there was nothing AMD had that could compete, now Vega is coming my 1070 will get moved to my kids and i will go back to AMD and Freesync, however there are plenty of people that would have stuck with a 290 or bought a 480 etc and refused to buy Nvidia, likewise with CPU's, refuse to buy Intel or AMD etc.

 

[pmc25]

This looks like another bust to me.

Cheaper AMD processors with more cores will beat them in anything highly threaded, and will be so close in gaming that it won't matter to 99% of people.

Also, *IF* they fix the cache issues, they're still looking at a huge base clock reduction of 500Mhz from the 7700k to the 8700k. That tells me that they're going to have big thermal and clocking issues ... and they need every Mhz they can get to be competitive.

No hint that they're going to abandon the toothpaste, so delidding will still be a necessity for overclocking.

That and the eventual 10nm replacement will certainly require a motherboard change.

 

[gavinh87]

Unfortunately this is the case, Simon Belmont above is a prime example of this, regardless of the guff Intel will shovel out the door, he will still only buy Intel, and he is not alone in this. There are many many many people who are brand biased or refuse to buy AMD as they deem them inferior for various reasons, i hate Nvidia but bought a 1070 as there was nothing AMD had that could compete, now Vega is coming my 1070 will get moved to my kids and i will go back to AMD and Freesync, however there are plenty of people that would have stuck with a 290 or bought a 480 etc and refused to buy Nvidia, likewise with CPU's, refuse to buy Intel or AMD etc.

As consumers, this is how we must be.
IF a big IF AMD get the market share, they will become the same. Then we jump ship, otherwise we all get rinsed.

 

[Hagar]

Yes, but it looks like only Z390 boards will be able to accept cannonlake.

Early adopters of Coffeelake, who can't wait for Z390 boards in Q1 2018, will have no upgrade path...which is quite ridiculous (if the reports are correct)

I suppose to their way of thinking only a small percentage (insignificant) upgrade a CPU anyway.

 

[Simon Belmont]

Unfortunately this is the case, Simon Belmont above is a prime example of this, regardless of the guff Intel will shovel out the door, he will still only buy Intel, and he is not alone in this. There are many many many people who are brand biased or refuse to buy AMD as they deem them inferior for various reasons, i hate Nvidia but bought a 1070 as there was nothing AMD had that could compete, now Vega is coming my 1070 will get moved to my kids and i will go back to AMD and Freesync, however there are plenty of people that would have stuck with a 290 or bought a 480 etc and refused to buy Nvidia, likewise with CPU's, refuse to buy Intel or AMD etc.

What's wrong with liking Intel? I like AMD as well, but if I were to buy AMD right now, Ryzen series just isn't enough tbh. Now Ryzen 2 sounds like a good buy. Exciting times. Competition is good.

 

[gavinh87]

What's wrong with liking Intel? I like AMD as well, but if I were to buy AMD, Ryzen series just isn't enough tbh. Now Ryzen 2 sounds like a good buy. Exciting times. Competition is good.

These past few months have shown intel in a different light yet people still buy them.
Then again look at the VAG group emission scandal, they are still selling well.
Brand loyalty shouldn't be a thing.

 

[SiDeards73]

What's wrong with liking Intel? I like AMD as well, but if I were to buy AMD right now, Ryzen series just isn't enough tbh. Now Ryzen 2 sounds like a good buy. Exciting times. Competition is good.

I never said anything was wrong with liking Intel? but in the light of recent events and their continual mickey taking of their customers, i find it questionable that people will religiously stick by them and not even consider the competition, sure if Ryzen does not fit your needs go with Intel, i currently own a 4770k but i also have a CH6 Motherboard, 16GB of DDR4 Ram, Samsung M2 500GB Drive and a 280mm AIO sat waiting for me to buy a Ryzen CPU and put it in my PC case, im waiting to see if theres a Ryzen revision before i purchase.

What i do find laughable though is people who buy a 7700k and laugh at people buying the cheaper 1600, when there is like 7-10% gaming difference between the chips, then proceed to put them with an Nvidia 1080 on a 1080p screen that caps at 60hz lol, yeah those 110fps are making all the difference over the 100fps the Ryzen 1600 is delivering

So many people spend money on the wrong components, buying a top end CPU and GPU then neglect the screen to view it all on, which is arguably the most important part, as its not like you sit watching the CPU or GPU is it anyhow im way off topic, but this example happens more than you think

 

[Hagar]

.....snip...

Yes the most important things are do your wrists ache and do your eyes bleed.

 

[DragonQ]

I dont think they will do this, would make the i5s 6c/6t pointless, no one would buy it

4c/4t is more likely

6c/6t is better than 4c/8t in the vast majority of scenarios, although in some applications it'd be pretty close. You're right that the gap would be narrower than now though.

 

[chrcoluk]

Unfortunately this is the case, Simon Belmont above is a prime example of this, regardless of the guff Intel will shovel out the door, he will still only buy Intel, and he is not alone in this. There are many many many people who are brand biased or refuse to buy AMD as they deem them inferior for various reasons, i hate Nvidia but bought a 1070 as there was nothing AMD had that could compete, now Vega is coming my 1070 will get moved to my kids and i will go back to AMD and Freesync, however there are plenty of people that would have stuck with a 290 or bought a 480 etc and refused to buy Nvidia, likewise with CPU's, refuse to buy Intel or AMD etc.

To me its silly.

I see myself as unlikely to buy AMD.

The motherboard policy is also preventing me upgrade my cpu.

e.g. if I could pop in a skylake in my motherboard now for say £150-200 I "might" do it.

Replacing my motherboard as well puts me off a lot, and means I wont upgrade until I "have to".

There is no need for intel to need a new chipset for every single new cpu generation when the changes from one cpu to the next is so small, its clearly so they can sell more motherboard chips as well.