Intel to launch 6 core Coffee Lake-S CPUs & Z370 chipset 5 October 2017

Jono8 · 3 Aug 2017 at 17:31

Simon Belmont said:
I am. Didn't read the whole artice, but though cannonlake would work on z370? If this is the case I might wait then.

Will wait for proper info before making decision

I thought Z370 would be ok for cannonlake as well (at least the coffeelake parts based on cannonlake in Q1 and Q2 as one slide shows Z370 all the way through to the end of Q2 2018.

http://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/...ee-Lake-and-300-Series-Platform-Details_4.jpg

Why would they still have Z370 in Q1 and Q2 if it was being made defunct by the Z390?

Also, note that the 1st slide shows both are called Coffe-Lake S (both the chip based on kabylake and the chip based on cannonlake)

Simon Belmont · 3 Aug 2017 at 18:58

Jono8 said:
I thought Z370 would be ok for cannonlake as well (at least the coffeelake parts based on cannonlake in Q1 and Q2 as one slide shows Z370 all the way through to the end of Q2 2018.

http://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/...ee-Lake-and-300-Series-Platform-Details_4.jpg

Why would they still have Z370 in Q1 and Q2 if it was being made defunct by the Z390?

Also, note that the 1st slide shows both are called Coffe-Lake S (both the chip based on kabylake and the chip based on cannonlake)

I hope Coffelake works on z390? It's all here say until Intel give the full story?

Rroff · 3 Aug 2017 at 18:59

Intel rarely misses an opportunity these days to move to a new socket at any excuse.

10nm CPUs potentially will have enough architecture changes, even if not a whole new architecture, to require it but Coffee Lake really shouldn't.

AthlonXP1800 · 3 Aug 2017 at 19:45

Wow look like Intel will launch new LGA 1151 chipsets every 6 months from 12 months:

Intel 100 series 2015-2017

Intel 200 series Q1 2017

Intel Z370 Q3 2017

Intel Z390 Q1 2018

Intel 400 series H2 2018

It not the first time it happened with LGA 1151, it been happened before with desktop Core 2 chipsets Intel released new chipsets every few months when my mate had very hard time decided which 19 Core 2 motherboard chipsets to buy for Core 2 Quad Q6600 and he picked up P31 chipset.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_chipsets

I will be buy Z370 motherboard, will skip Z390 not bothered it and wait for Intel 400 series for 10nm CPU Cannonlake or Ice Lake next year in 2018.

Hopefully 8700K pre-order will start on 1st day of Week 34 on 21 August and 8700K CPU shipments to consumers should begin on 28 August if Intel followed the same steps with Skylake-X launch schedule which saw Skylake-X pre-order started on 1st day of Week 25 on 19 June and CPU shipments to consumers a week later on 26 June.

gavinh87 · 3 Aug 2017 at 20:08

AthlonXP1800 said:
Wow look like Intel will launch new LGA 1151 chipsets every 6 months from 12 months:

Intel 100 series 2015-2017

Intel 200 series Q1 2017

Intel Z370 Q3 2017

Intel Z390 Q1 2018

Intel 400 series H2 2018

It not the first time it happened with LGA 1151, it been happened before with desktop Core 2 chipsets Intel released new chipsets every few months when my mate had very hard time decided which 19 Core 2 motherboard chipsets to buy for Core 2 Quad Q6600 and he picked up P31 chipset.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_chipsets

I will be buy Z370 motherboard, will skip Z390 not bothered it and wait for Intel 400 series for 10nm CPU Cannonlake or Ice Lake next year in 2018.

Hopefully 8700K pre-order will start on 1st day of Week 34 on 21 August and 8700K CPU shipments to consumers should begin on 28 August if Intel followed the same steps with Skylake-X launch schedule which saw Skylake-X pre-order started on 1st day of Week 25 on 19 June and CPU shipments to consumers a week later on 26 June.

You complain but you are part of the problem.
If people keep buying these then of course they will keep selling them like it.

Molesy79 · 4 Aug 2017 at 09:55

Very disappointing if this is true, as a Z170 owner it makes no sense. I would have been far more likely to part with my money if I could have slapped in a 6 core Intel.

jigger · 4 Aug 2017 at 13:44

Intel have been working very hard to suck every last penny they can from the enthusiast. Did people really expect Intel to loosen the thumbscrew?

If you want a new Intel CPU you must buy a new chipset. If Intel drop CPU prices Chipset prices must increase to offset the short fall.

Ayahuasca · 4 Aug 2017 at 13:55

I wonder if there's any pressure from the motherboard manufacturers to make each iteration require a new motherboard, can't imagine they'd rather just release a bios for existing boards and make nothing from it rather than hopping on the milk float with Intel.

gavinh87 · 4 Aug 2017 at 16:33

Ayahuasca said:
I wonder if there's any pressure from the motherboard manufacturers to make each iteration require a new motherboard, can't imagine they'd rather just release a bios for existing boards and make nothing from it rather than hopping on the milk float with Intel.

Very little I'd imagine, R&D costs, setting up new pcb lines, writing new programs for robots to solder the pcb, quality control, bios engineers etc etc
They'd get much more value from selling the same mobo for 2-3 years.

jigger · 4 Aug 2017 at 16:36

But Intel sell less chips.

gavinh87 · 4 Aug 2017 at 16:41

jigger said:
But Intel sell less chips.

Yep, gotta milk that clockspeed increase.

Rroff · 4 Aug 2017 at 17:03

gavinh87 said:
writing new programs for robots to solder the pcb

I dunno what motherboard makers do these days but it should be a bit more sophisticated now - I use the CAD side of it to work out the layout for my prototype boards but haven't currently gone as far as having PCBs fabricated - might do in the future. Same with assembly the machines are much more sophisticated these days.

gavinh87 · 4 Aug 2017 at 17:10

Rroff said:
I dunno what motherboard makers do these days but it should be a bit more sophisticated now - I use the CAD side of it to work out the layout for my prototype boards but haven't currently gone as far as having PCBs fabricated - might do in the future. Same with assembly the machines are much more sophisticated these days.

I can only go by what I have seen when ask for boards to be made up. Obviously not as big as asus or the like.
If they are using an even more sophisticated method in the big leagues, this is only going to increase setup time, troubleshooting etc. I'm certain that any mobo manufacturer would rather make a board for 2-3 years and perfect that design over
a few revisions rather having to go down the setting up a whole new board each time intel want to change socket. Whats probably more frustrating for them is they can see that a new socket is not needed and they go to all this effort for nothing.

Ayahuasca · 4 Aug 2017 at 17:14

Even on a new socket the boards aren't a great deal different to the previous, they'll be making more money this way along with Intel.

Rroff · 4 Aug 2017 at 17:17

gavinh87 said:
I can only go by what I have seen when ask for boards to be made up. Obviously not as big as asus or the like.
If they are using an even more sophisticated method in the big leagues, this is only going to increase setup time, troubleshooting etc. I'm certain that any mobo manufacturer would rather make a board for 2-3 years and perfect that design over
a few revisions rather having to go down the setting up a whole new board each time intel want to change socket. Whats probably more frustrating for them is they can see that a new socket is not needed and they go to all this effort for nothing.

I'd agree that motherboard makers would rather get as much mileage as possible out of each line before having to redesign, etc. but from what I've seen the processes have become far more automated and GUI based allowing for much more rapid prototyping through to production than even 5 years ago never mind 10 years or more.

gavinh87 · 4 Aug 2017 at 17:20

Rroff said:
I'd agree that motherboard makers would rather get as much mileage as possible out of each line before having to redesign, etc. but from what I've seen the processes have become far more automated and GUI based allowing for much more rapid prototyping through to production than even 5 years ago never mind 10 years or more.

Maybe we should change the company where we get boards from lol.
You know the story, Jimmy's mates dad from down the pub knows someone that can do that type of affair.

Rroff · 4 Aug 2017 at 17:26

gavinh87 said:
Maybe we should change the company where we get boards from lol.

The industry is a mess TBH some companies still locked in the past using dot matrix printer era technology with no intentions of changing any time soon others pressing onto the latest setups.

Mostly I just prototype stuff like http://i.imgur.com/PEDhffl.jpg for my own interest but do have a few designs on the audio side I'm a bit more invested in producing properly due to the level of performance possible to attain on proper multi-layer PCB versus prototype board.

gavinh87 · 4 Aug 2017 at 18:02

Rroff said:
The industry is a mess TBH some companies still locked in the past using dot matrix printer era technology with no intentions of changing any time soon others pressing onto the latest setups.

Mostly I just prototype stuff like http://i.imgur.com/PEDhffl.jpg for my own interest but do have a few designs on the audio side I'm a bit more invested in producing properly due to the level of performance possible to attain on proper multi-layer PCB versus prototype board.

Interesting, so you looking at going into a DACs or am I way off?

Rroff · 4 Aug 2017 at 18:10

gavinh87 said:
Interesting, so you looking at going into a DACs or am I way off?

Been playing with a lot of different headphone amplifier designs for the most part, I've built a couple of DACs around the PCM2902 chips but audio DACs aren't particularly DIY friendly (none the least you are lucky if they are SSOP quite a few are even smaller formats) - the better ones either require you implement your own USB bridge or have everything you need but are only available with commercial/volume licensing and agreements :s

TheF34RChannel · 4 Aug 2017 at 20:44

Simon Belmont said:
z370 is coffelake, cannonlake is the refresh z390. z390 cannonlake coming feb or march 2018

Using socket 1151v2 I hear?

I'll post in this thread one last time for those genuinely interested:

1 There is no desktop Cannonlake coming, only mobile;

2 the sheets mention KBL and CNL PCH = not CPUs. Go look up PCH peeps

;

3 Z390 isn't mentioned and whatever comes after Z370 may be called differently, however, CFL is compatible with both.

4 many here are taking the sheets completely out of context and make up things that don't exist (not you Simon, speaking in general here), and moreover, aren't reading before starting to say things and lastly, don't keep up with previous leaks (Intel itself saying there'll be no CNL desktop SKUs), and subsequently this chaos and confusion of the last few pages is the result. Kinda amusing

5 this is your mainstream desktop CPU roadmap: Coffee Lake, Ice Lake, Tiger Lake, ?

Anyway, I hope this clarifies things once and for all. Have a great weekend everyone!