-
Competitor rules
Please remember that any mention of competitors, hinting at competitors or offering to provide details of competitors will result in an account suspension. The full rules can be found under the 'Terms and Rules' link in the bottom right corner of your screen. Just don't mention competitors in any way, shape or form and you'll be OK.
Intel to launch 6 core Coffee Lake-S CPUs & Z370 chipset 5 October 2017
- Thread starter AthlonXP1800
- Start date
To be frank, if it's ITX you are knackered in both directions.
Associate
- Joined
- 27 Apr 2007
- Posts
- 966
A small minority of systems get upgraded, probably less than 10%, so it’s correct in my view that manufacturers optimize a new platform for the 90% that don’t not the 10% that do. Why compromise a new platform in some way to serve the <10% of older systems that will upgrade? That’s illogical.
Intel have 2 main design teams and they aren’t handicapped by having to worry too much about compatibility with the other team’s design. That’s why you will get VRMs on die with one design and then removed later etc which impacts board compatibility.
As well as that, a lot of the focus is on mobile so the power delivery characteristics for example of the desktop chips might be affected by what’s best for mobile where there’s no concern for socket compatibility.
Add all that together and even though it’s annoying at times I think it’s the right call when you consider everyone and not just selfishly think of one’s own needs.
I read that the official line is that AM4 will support the Zen refresh and then the first generation at <10nm which is 3 generations in total. Whether that takes 3 or 4 years is not the point. But they may support beyond that knowing AMD but it’s a guess at this stage.
In other words you get one extra platform but we have no way of knowing at this stage whether 3 AMD platforms will offer a bigger jump than Intel’s 2.
Over the last decade hardly anyone cared about AMD’s longer socket support because the platforms were rubbish and the gaps between them long.
Hopefully that is in the past but it’s still a punt.
With PCIe 4.0 due in the 4 year period you referred to that kills the current AM4 motherboards if you want to take advantage of that for example.
In other words, it’s not just about the CPU but also about platform features.
Associate
- Joined
- 31 Jan 2011
- Posts
- 2,310
- Location
- Hampshire
Maybe start looking for used 6 core Haswell-E/Broadwel-E?
Those the I5-8600K going to be around £250 (£206 + VAT according to the leaked prices). SO you will have to add another £200 for mobo.
Hmm, consider that R7 1700 goes for 270 these days. You either buy the 8700K or Ryzen.
Anything bellow 8700K ain't worth.
Because ITX for AM4 are an arm and a leg and not much choice. Intel are much the same if it's for gaming.................after all you did say it was a gaming rig. What's your total budget then ?
Buy AMD then, I'm more than happy to keep the same CPU/Mobo for 5 years, seems like you are too with a 2500k, no idea why it bothers you!
Associate
- Joined
- 31 Jan 2011
- Posts
- 2,310
- Location
- Hampshire
I
Im just so confused what route to take
i dont mind dishing out a couple of hundred on a mobo too. Size really is key on this build. The biggest case i could use was the node 202 so i have to work with that.
Im just so confused what route to take
Well, if the route was to be AM4 you could do a lot worse than the Asrock AB350M HDV Micro ATX @ about £64. Tag that with a 1600 or 1700 and you is good to go.
Associate
- Joined
- 31 Jan 2011
- Posts
- 2,310
- Location
- Hampshire
Thats micro atx not itx
BIOSTAR X370GTN AM4 AMD X370 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.1 HDMI Mini ITX AMD MotherboardThats micro atx not itx
Associate
- Joined
- 31 Jan 2011
- Posts
- 2,310
- Location
- Hampshire
I dont know why but somthing is still telling me to go 7600k as its going to perform better in games
Plus boards and memory are cheaper. I have yet to see any games perform better with ryzen
Plus boards and memory are cheaper. I have yet to see any games perform better with ryzen
Max/avg are lower or equal depending on GPU but minimums and frametimes are better in newer engines. I imagine it will be the same with the 8700k. Dont get a 4 core CPU now.
you have WQHD 2560 x 1440 monitor. Pointless to get 7600K.
Ignore what everyone else is telling you and buy a 7600K, and a Z270 board, honestly you've earned it, and deserve it!
Pff quad core. The 7600k just got wasted by the R5 1600 in a recent digital foundry review. Unless you are eye balling fraps 24/7 you ain't gonna see the difference between zen and any Intel. Bigger things in life to worry about than a few fps lol.
Yeah.
At 2560x1440 or higher, even a GTX1080ti makes all CPUs equal within 2-3 frames.
Associate
- Joined
- 31 Jan 2011
- Posts
- 2,310
- Location
- Hampshire
Fair enough will go ryzen then. The "X" models i assume are just pre overclocked? Or do they hit that clock on stock non x voltages? Heat is my enemy in this build so if the "x" boosts to 4ghz on the same bolta a non x does its a winner for me. I assume im better of with a ryzen 5 over 7 due to higher clock speeds and still having 6c/12t?
The X = XFR. A 2 core boost. But if you overclock them, they lost it.
What you need to make sure you buy good compatible ram running 3200C14 or 3466C14. The fps improvement over slower ram is huge. (40% between 2133 and 3466)
Associate
- Joined
- 31 Jan 2011
- Posts
- 2,310
- Location
- Hampshire
Intersting cheers for the tip. So the question is x or no x? Realistically im going to be using a low profile cooler with a trp of 95w the c7 cryorig is about the best i can fit in the case so is overclocking even going to be on the cards