Intel to launch 6 core Coffee Lake-S CPUs & Z370 chipset 5 October 2017

[Panos]

Intersting cheers for the tip. So the question is x or no x? Realistically im going to be using a low profile cooler with a trp of 95w the c7 cryorig is about the best i can fit in the case so is overclocking even going to be on the cards

OCUK sells bundle with 1700 at 3.9Ghz with good ram at 3200C14 i believe. Is great package.

Regarding the ram

https://community.amd.com/community...emory-oc-showdown-frequency-vs-memory-timings

Why I wrote before about the perf.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/07/intel-core-i9-fastest-chip-but-too-darn-expensive/3/

Look at this review. I believe is the only one which is using 1080ti. Check the 2560x1440 and 4K benchmarks.
Now 1080ti is a card that doesn't "bottleneck" at 2560x1440.

 

[voidshatter]

Gonna wait until the motherboard has proper USB-C/TB3 ports, then upgrade

 

[HaroldSaxon]

I'm not hugely bothered about waiting now that i've thought about it. Waiting two more months isn't the end of the world when i'm using a first gen i7! Gives me more time to pick out my case and decide on an AIO.

 

[Drollic]

I'm not hugely bothered about waiting now that i've thought about it. Waiting two more months isn't the end of the world when i'm using a first gen i7! Gives me more time to pick out my case and decide on an AIO.

You must have waited years already. I'd wait it out even longer and see what the boards and bios are like

 

[Journey]

I'm not hugely bothered about waiting now that i've thought about it. Waiting two more months isn't the end of the world when i'm using a first gen i7! Gives me more time to pick out my case and decide on an AIO.

Bingo, that's exactly what Intel planned, paper launch, announce 'fall' schedule, so people say "I can wait 2 more months" and then they release it in November only a month later than expected, but you already waited this long, so what's another month hey? All the while the R5's have been out 6 months, and will cost half that of the 8700K, not to mention a huge array of cheaper motherboards. Unless you are running 1080p (gaming) with something like a GTX 1080 or 1080 Ti then you are wasting your time waiting for Intel.

 

[Dr_Watson]

We know, we have been told in every third reply, it's like a broken record in this place. I'm waiting too, on a 2600k with a 1080ti, so a few more months is nothing. I would only be buying Ryzen in order to wait for Zen2, and Zen2 might not plugin to existing boards, and it might not be faster than an 8700k, so a couple of months to confirm this is nothing.

 

[voidshatter]

A Chinese site has reviewed the Kaby Lake Refresh 8th gen Core i5. It looks like the i5 8250U, when compared against its predecessor i5 7200U, has an improvement of about 20% (the 3rd last column). It appears that the 8250U has some problem to maintain the speed at its TurboBoost frequency, hence resulting in relatively disappointing single-threaded benchmarks.

The 2nd last column is the relative performance towards 7300HQ, and the last column is the same with TDP unlocked. These look pretty impressive.

 

[Randall8686]

OCUK sells bundle with 1700 at 3.9Ghz with good ram at 3200C14 i believe. Is great package.

Regarding the ram

https://community.amd.com/community...emory-oc-showdown-frequency-vs-memory-timings

Why I wrote before about the perf.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/07/intel-core-i9-fastest-chip-but-too-darn-expensive/3/

Look at this review. I believe is the only one which is using 1080ti. Check the 2560x1440 and 4K benchmarks.
Now 1080ti is a card that doesn't "bottleneck" at 2560x1440.

Thanks for the links unfortunately none of the bundles come with Mini ITX boards so the ocing is up to me by the looks of it. I think im going to go 1700 route. With AM4 looking like it should have a good shelf life i can chuck the next gen in etc.

Going to have to dig out a good itx board and some ram.

 

[eddiew]

Well then :/

1600X tomorrow for me! Just got to choose my memory sticks

 

[eddiew]

Thanks for the links unfortunately none of the bundles come with Mini ITX boards so the ocing is up to me by the looks of it. I think im going to go 1700 route. With AM4 looking like it should have a good shelf life i can chuck the next gen in etc.

Going to have to dig out a good itx board and some ram.

It looks a lot like there is only one AM4 ITX board... the good news is it's x370 and OCUK stock it But yeah, I agree that the upgrade path looks good.

 

[Panos]

Thanks for the links unfortunately none of the bundles come with Mini ITX boards so the ocing is up to me by the looks of it. I think im going to go 1700 route. With AM4 looking like it should have a good shelf life i can chuck the next gen in etc.

Going to have to dig out a good itx board and some ram.

Regarding the miTX boards check reviews first. Some boards can only overlock a Ryzen 3-5 not a 7 (like the Gigabyte one), because the VRMs cannot hold.

 

[HaroldSaxon]

You must have waited years already. I'd wait it out even longer and see what the boards and bios are like

Well, i've only recently gone above 1080p 60fps, so I haven't felt the need to. Now that I've got a 144hz monitor, its showing its age.

Bingo, that's exactly what Intel planned, paper launch, announce 'fall' schedule, so people say "I can wait 2 more months" and then they release it in November only a month later than expected, but you already waited this long, so what's another month hey? All the while the R5's have been out 6 months, and will cost half that of the 8700K, not to mention a huge array of cheaper motherboards. Unless you are running 1080p (gaming) with something like a GTX 1080 or 1080 Ti then you are wasting your time waiting for Intel.

I've got a 1080ti (thanks miners!) and I game at 1080p on a 144hz monitor. R5's unfortunately just aren't good enough for that, as good as they are for budget systems and more GPU limited resolutions. Besides, most games that I play run far better on Intel (FFXIV/PUBG)

 

[Randall8686]

Regarding the miTX boards check reviews first. Some boards can only overlock a Ryzen 3-5 not a 7 (like the Gigabyte one), because the VRMs cannot hold.

Cheers for the tip, will head over to the mobo section and put the question to thr kind peeps of this forum

 

[eddiew]

Regarding the miTX boards check reviews first. Some boards can only overlock a Ryzen 3-5 not a 7 (like the Gigabyte one), because the VRMs cannot hold.

Consider me corrected! Cheers for picking that up, I'd only seen the one ITX

 

[muon]

A Chinese site has reviewed the Kaby Lake Refresh 8th gen Core i5. It looks like the i5 8250U, when compared against its predecessor i5 7200U, has an improvement of about 20% (the 3rd last column). It appears that the 8250U has some problem to maintain the speed at its TurboBoost frequency, hence resulting in relatively disappointing single-threaded benchmarks.

The 2nd last column is the relative performance towards 7300HQ, and the last column is the same with TDP unlocked. These look pretty impressive.

We don't need a review to tell us how these chips perform. It is just 4 core skylake/kabylake at low frequencies to try and remain at the 15W TDP.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/11738...tarting-with-kaby-lake-refresh-for-15w-mobile

Impressive isn't the word I'd use. It is the same IPC (Intel claim this is still Kaby Lake) but offering more cores.

In our pre-briefings, Intel only mentioned Coffee Lake in the context of the fact that today’s launch is not Coffee Lake. Because media were expecting this to be Coffee Lake (and expecting it to be a desktop processor launch), the question ‘is this Coffee Lake’ was actually asked several times, and the answer had to be repeated. These four new CPUs are still Kaby Lake CPUs built on the same 14+ technology, with minor updates, and bringing quad cores to 15W.

Also look at the prices $300 for the cheapest chip.

Ryzen APUs will give this a kicking.

 

[voidshatter]

We don't need a review to tell us how these chips perform. It is just 4 core skylake/kabylake at low frequencies to try and remain at the 15W TDP.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/11738...tarting-with-kaby-lake-refresh-for-15w-mobile

Impressive isn't the word I'd use. It is the same IPC but offering more cores.

Also look at the prices $300 for the cheapest chip.

Ryzen APUs will give this a kicking.

Just more cores? Don't you see the same TDP for 40% more multi-thread performance?

 

[muon]

Just more cores? Don't you see the same TDP for 40% more multi-thread performance?

Same 14nm+ process and this is still Kaby Lake according to Intel (so no IPC improvements). Intel could have launched these chips at the beginning of this year if they wanted. Not impressive at all.

They see Ryzen APUs coming and have realised their policy of offering 2C/4T chips for mainstream laptops will be untenable.

I'll also wait for reviews to see what the power consumption really is.

 

[voidshatter]

We don't need a review to tell us how these chips perform.

I'll also wait for reviews to see what the power consumption really is.

Quite consistent forum replies

 

[Doobedoo]

Just more cores? Don't you see the same TDP for 40% more multi-thread performance?

So why the need for another motherboard then? If it offers more performance within the same power and thermal envelope using the same socket then why? Does anyone actually know the answer to this?

Intel are taking a bit of a bashing at the moment and maybe some of it is unnecessary but this just does not make sense, maybe it doesn't matter to some yet in a perfect world you wouldn't design something that requires unnecessary upgrades unless you had an ulterior motive, surely.

 

[Journey]

R5's unfortunately just aren't good enough for that, as good as they are for budget systems and more GPU limited resolutions.

I think you mean they are cheaper, and just not as expensive as Intel. If you are a twitch gamer, like you seem to be, and every last FPS counts, then the extra few FPS the Intel gives you especially if you are competitive, then I am sure the platform costs are worth the difference, but when you consider that could be as much as two fold the cost for, a couple of percent, then you are the exception, and not the rule.