Intel to launch 6 core Coffee Lake-S CPUs & Z370 chipset 5 October 2017

[Katanga]

I fail to see why (mostly the AMD stalwarts) want to have a motherboard that lasts multiple CPU upgrades, a really ridiculous thing to do IMHO.

I've always upgraded motherboards with new CPU's to take advantage of new technology, new USB standards, new SATA and more, sometimes just new hardware that a BIOS flash cant update ... if anything my most recent high end CPU's have outlived the motherboards it lived on and have had to replace the boards for more performance.

I've always managed to pass on my old gear as bundles on Ebay or elsewhere, does anyone really want to put a new 5 year down the line, AMD or even Intel CPU into an ancient socket that inevitably means old tech motherboard and tech? Really?

C'mon guys, think about it.

 

[jigger]

Lol you fail to see the issue and call people that can names. Nice.

Come on think about it.

 

[greatash]

You dont need a whole new socket to take advantage of new technology though. Thats what motherboard revisions are for.

 

[~>Dg<~]

remember people dont all buy at the same time.time doesnt stand still for tech.

 

[jigger]

You dont need a whole new socket to take advantage of new technology though. Thats what motherboard revisions are for.

With Intel it seems you need a chipset to take advantage of old technology.

 

[jigger]

remember people dont all buy at the same time.time doesnt stand still for tech.

Lol Intel have released the same thing over and over...

PMSL.

 

[gavinh87]

I fail to see why (mostly the AMD stalwarts) want to have a motherboard that lasts multiple CPU upgrades, a really ridiculous thing to do IMHO.

I've always upgraded motherboards with new CPU's to take advantage of new technology, new USB standards, new SATA and more, sometimes just new hardware that a BIOS flash cant update ... if anything my most recent high end CPU's have outlived the motherboards it lived on and have had to replace the boards for more performance.

I've always managed to pass on my old gear as bundles on Ebay or elsewhere, does anyone really want to put a new 5 year down the line, AMD or even Intel CPU into an ancient socket that inevitably means old tech motherboard and tech? Really?

C'mon guys, think about it.

So tell us what the Z370 brings over Z270?

 

[DarrenM343]

So tell us what the Z370 brings over Z270?

Support for non-4 core max processors .
Z370 is more of a special case though. But yeah, two new mainstream motherboards in < a year (<6months?)isn't great. Z170 straight to Z370 better

 

[Panos]

So tell us what the Z370 brings over Z270?

The ability of the motherboards to allow 50% more electricity to the CPU. Because if the leaked benchmark is correct, the 7900X is more power efficient that the 8700K!!!!!

 

[gavinh87]

The ability of the motherboards to allow 50% more electricity to the CPU. Because if the leaked benchmark is correct, the 7900X is more power efficient that the 8700K!!!!!

I haven't seen this. From the sandra it seemed that it was more power efficient than the 1800x unless I read it wrong.
Do you have a link?

 

[Panos]

I haven't seen this. From the sandra it seemed that it was more power efficient than the 1800x unless I read it wrong.
Do you have a link?

Avg power 308.5W. Given that the architecture is exactly the same with the 7700K, and nothing has been changed on that area, sounds perfectly right.

here is the 7700K at 55.5W less

http://ranker.sisoftware.net/show_d...b68bbb9df5c8f8dea69bab8de88db080a6d5e8d0&l=en

And the 7900X at 327W

http://ranker.sisoftware.net/show_d...dbebcda499bfd7eaccb489afcaaf92a284f7cafa&l=en

So here we have a 6 core CPU, just a shy off the avg system power with a 10 core CPU.
(18W to be precise).

Also if you see this here, is the CPU consumption(not system)

https://www.bit-tech.net/reviews/tech/amd-ryzen-5-1500x-review/6/

add 50% to the 7700K.

 

[DragonQ]

I fail to see why (mostly the AMD stalwarts) want to have a motherboard that lasts multiple CPU upgrades, a really ridiculous thing to do IMHO.

I've always upgraded motherboards with new CPU's to take advantage of new technology, new USB standards, new SATA and more, sometimes just new hardware that a BIOS flash cant update ... if anything my most recent high end CPU's have outlived the motherboards it lived on and have had to replace the boards for more performance.

I've always managed to pass on my old gear as bundles on Ebay or elsewhere, does anyone really want to put a new 5 year down the line, AMD or even Intel CPU into an ancient socket that inevitably means old tech motherboard and tech? Really?

C'mon guys, think about it.

Did you even read my post? I asked what new features Z370 offered over Z170. Do you know any that are worth paying £100-300 for?

Also this isn't a conversation about "5 years down the line", this is about having three chipsets within 2 years, the most recent of which is incompatible with the previous two. In 5 years I'd expect RAM standards to have changed anyway so it makes sense that you need a new motherboard, I don't think anyone has qualms about that.

 

[gavinh87]

Avg power 308.5W. Given that the architecture is exactly the same with the 7700K, and nothing has been changed on that area, sounds perfectly right.

here is the 7700K at 55.5W less

http://ranker.sisoftware.net/show_d...b68bbb9df5c8f8dea69bab8de88db080a6d5e8d0&l=en

And the 7900X at 327W

http://ranker.sisoftware.net/show_d...dbebcda499bfd7eaccb489afcaaf92a284f7cafa&l=en

So here we have a 6 core CPU, just a shy off the avg system power with a 10 core CPU.
(18W to be precise).

Also if you see this here, is the CPU consumption(not system)

https://www.bit-tech.net/reviews/tech/amd-ryzen-5-1500x-review/6/

add 50% to the 7700K.

Ah I was looking at perf/watt figures, it does well there. Didn't we all expect it to be a 7700k with 2 cores though?

 

[IT Troll]

So tell us what the Z370 brings over Z270?

Just some incremental enhancements to WiFi and USB. Really not worthy of a motherboard replacement and could be achieved through expansion cards if you really wanted the same on an older board.

 

[muon]

Ah I was looking at perf/watt figures, it does well there. Didn't we all expect it to be a 7700k with 2 cores though?

Not voidshatter. Claiming massive improvements in perf/watt based off TDP numbers.

Can't wait to see Skylake vs Coffelake comparisons and how the IPC will be near identical.

 

[gavinh87]

Not voidshatter. Claiming massive improvements in perf/watt based off TDP numbers.

Can't wait to see Skylake vs Coffelake comparisons and how the IPC will be near identical.

We all know how he talks crap.
Going from the benchmarks that have been leaked it's exactly that, 7700k single thread performance and even with the 1700 on multi. Here's a leak https://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/28803237

 

[voidshatter]

Not voidshatter. Claiming massive improvements in perf/watt based off TDP numbers.

Can't wait to see Skylake vs Coffelake comparisons and how the IPC will be near identical.

8650u = 2x 7600u stitched together? Might well be the case. It's quite possible that a pair of 7600u undervolted and underclocked can achieve 140% multi-thread performance of a single 7600u (at the 100% power consumption of a single 7600u). 8650u shares the same/similar fab process as the 7600u, so the perf/watt should be similar - is this what you meant?

We all know how he talks crap.
Going from the benchmarks that have been leaked it's exactly that, 7700k single thread performance and even with the 1700 on multi. Here's a leak https://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/28803237

Nice leaks! It looks like the 8700K is the way to go for me (for the set and forget gaming machine), and it will last another many years with just annual upgrade cycles of graphics cards

 

[Panos]

Nice leaks! It looks like the 8700K is the way to go for me (for the set and forget gaming machine), and it will last another many years with just annual upgrade cycles of graphics cards

Aye. It seems is another 2500K, as someone else put it. It will last few years. At least until 2020 when DDR5 and PCI-e 4.0 boards come out for me, if not later.

Is like the GTX1080ti. If someone uses it at 2560x1440 or 3440x1440 res, it will last at least another 2 1/2 years.

 

[gavinh87]

8650u = 2x 7600u stitched together? Might well be the case. It's quite possible that a pair of 7600u undervolted and underclocked can achieve 140% multi-thread performance of a single 7600u (at the 100% power consumption of a single 7600u). 8650u shares the same/similar fab process as the 7600u, so the perf/watt should be similar - is this what you meant?

Nice leaks! It looks like the 8700K is the way to go for me (for the set and forget gaming machine), and it will last another many years with just annual upgrade cycles of graphics cards

If price is right then I'll be getting it myself, hoping for £350. Otherwise ill keep the 1700.

 

[DarkHorizon472]

Be interesting to see what intel comes up with and the price.