I don't know.
I only saw your laughing emoji, and then talking about incels.
Both inappropriate on the thread.
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I only saw your laughing emoji, and then talking about incels.
Both inappropriate on the thread.
I can never tell what the point of any of these "International XXX days" is.
Literally nobody does anything different to any other day.
Just seems so utterly pointless (all of them). International men's day, women's day, cat spanker's day, pastafarian day, whatever. Nothing... ever... happens! On any of them!
Literally nobody does anything different to any other day.
Just seems so utterly pointless (all of them). International men's day, women's day, cat spanker's day, pastafarian day, whatever. Nothing... ever... happens! On any of them!
Man of Honour
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Soldato
Some people in this thread, are exactly the reason men don't discuss their issues. 
Because some people are incorrectly drawing conclusions from different rates of death by suicide. You should rather ask the poster who first raised suicide before making a transphobic remark - something which is known to cause mental health issues that can lead to suicide.
That's a silly thing to suggest and pulled out of nowhere.
We clearly are going round in circles here, which is fine because everyone is entitled to their own opinion. We clearly won't see eye to eye on this one, which is also fine. But it's daft to try to blame a conspiracy theory. Using the quite predictable deflection that I must be ignoring womens suicide rates is laughable as I have never said any such thing or given any indication of such. This is a thread about men after all. So rather than derail the thread I will bow out of this discussion between us.
I feel strongly that we need as much research into causes as possible, looking at avenues to reduce suicides. That's especially the case because of a very close male friend and a close male family member both unsuccessfully attempted suicide. As for disregarding womens suicide I have in the past managed to talk a female friend out of attempting it. While it appears to me that you are happy to assume the cause is simply the choice of method and you seem to be OK to leave it at that.
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so then i really don't get your point at all, perhaps you don't have one.
Suicide is very serious regardless of gender and the cause is not dependent on gender, nor is the best actions for prevention the root cause (mental health) but some assistance on symptoms (suicide attempts like jumping off bridges) might reduce gender differences in outcomes.
Different suicide rates by gender, ethnicity, income, education, socioeconomics etc. are all well studied with many interacting causes. But the root cause and the solutions are all largely the same.
yes, for example we have Nasher come straight out with a transphobic comment.Some people in this thread, are exactly the reason men don't discuss their issues.
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Soldato
Just give it a rest.
and for the sake of men's health is very important to be factual with the evidence and scientific understanding rather than drawing wrong conclusions by massively simplifying something so complex just because you can create misleading headline figures
Soldato
It's sad to this thread derailed in such a way it really is.
My 2 pence for what it's worth, I think in the majority of cases, women (as mentioned previously in the thread) use it sometimes as cry for help, I do think there's a larger, better established, more approachable support network available to women, whether that's between friends and family or actual health care options and services.
There are of course options available to men, but the way we deal with our issues are different to women, I don't necessarily think this is a bad thing, except when we can no longer deal with those problems in our own way.
But by that point its normally not a case of "I feel like killing myself", it's just the action left of doing it.
And in my experience with my work role, men are vastly better at it, I've attended around 40 attempted and code blues over the years, 38 of those have been men, all code blue on arrival.
The two women were found before anything had happened thankfully, but this was down to either messages on social media which alerted people or phone calls and text messages.
With the men it's always the same, sometimes a note is left, but there's no cries for help, they just do it and in ways that there's no coming back from. There's a total resolve in male suicide that we don't see anywhere near as often in women.
Suicide is terrible, in both sexes, for the person suffering and for the family and friends they leave behind.
I've previous experience of being in that state of mind where there is only action left, i was suffering with undiagnosed ptsd after leaving the forces, i'd become a recluse, was in wheelchair, my fiancée left me, I lost my house and my world ended.
It didn't matter that I had a utterly wonderful family, I didn't know what was wrong with me and didn't want to burden them with my problems that I didn't even understand.
I just thought I was broke, losing my mind and the most genuinely unselfish thing left for me to do was end.
So I did, i won't go into details on how but that night after it happened I broke down in front of my mother and I talked, not a lot, but enough for her to see that I really needed help.
That was the catalyst to my recovery, not a massive long therapy session, nothing more than opening up for 5 minutes and letting someone know I wasn't ok.
After going through recovery with help for heroes what was 10 years ago, i Imagine going back to myself in that wheelchair and trying to explain how different my life would be in 10 years.
Crazy to think what a little talking can do and lead to, but that's all it takes sometimes.
Don't suffer in silence men, talk please,.and if you have anyone that maybe suffering, "you ok" and "I'm alright" is not talking.
Godspeed men.
My 2 pence for what it's worth, I think in the majority of cases, women (as mentioned previously in the thread) use it sometimes as cry for help, I do think there's a larger, better established, more approachable support network available to women, whether that's between friends and family or actual health care options and services.
There are of course options available to men, but the way we deal with our issues are different to women, I don't necessarily think this is a bad thing, except when we can no longer deal with those problems in our own way.
But by that point its normally not a case of "I feel like killing myself", it's just the action left of doing it.
And in my experience with my work role, men are vastly better at it, I've attended around 40 attempted and code blues over the years, 38 of those have been men, all code blue on arrival.
The two women were found before anything had happened thankfully, but this was down to either messages on social media which alerted people or phone calls and text messages.
With the men it's always the same, sometimes a note is left, but there's no cries for help, they just do it and in ways that there's no coming back from. There's a total resolve in male suicide that we don't see anywhere near as often in women.
Suicide is terrible, in both sexes, for the person suffering and for the family and friends they leave behind.
I've previous experience of being in that state of mind where there is only action left, i was suffering with undiagnosed ptsd after leaving the forces, i'd become a recluse, was in wheelchair, my fiancée left me, I lost my house and my world ended.
It didn't matter that I had a utterly wonderful family, I didn't know what was wrong with me and didn't want to burden them with my problems that I didn't even understand.
I just thought I was broke, losing my mind and the most genuinely unselfish thing left for me to do was end.
So I did, i won't go into details on how but that night after it happened I broke down in front of my mother and I talked, not a lot, but enough for her to see that I really needed help.
That was the catalyst to my recovery, not a massive long therapy session, nothing more than opening up for 5 minutes and letting someone know I wasn't ok.
After going through recovery with help for heroes what was 10 years ago, i Imagine going back to myself in that wheelchair and trying to explain how different my life would be in 10 years.
Crazy to think what a little talking can do and lead to, but that's all it takes sometimes.
Don't suffer in silence men, talk please,.and if you have anyone that maybe suffering, "you ok" and "I'm alright" is not talking.
Godspeed men.
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Not really, I'm just saying it how it is. Maybe it's too blunt but oh well.
The fact is suicide rates in men is a big problem and that is a main focus for the day. Even when they do speak up they are told to basically pull themselves together.
Oh yea and international woman's day is officially recognised by the UN, men's isn't. But they do officially recognise world toilet day, which falls on the same day (an attempt to stop certain south Asians popping on the street). Says it all really.
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You've made your point. Thanks for de-railing the thread.
Man of Honour
I haven't met a single bloke that hasn't opened up to me and said that. I do some volunteering work with mind the charity, and the calls we get from men who say that is massive.
More men commit suicide than women by a factor of at least 3x more - issue being is that men are better at doing it - also women tend to be diagnosed with depression more easily and more readily. Furthermore, things like the menopause is better understood in women allowing them to get hormonal treatments to keep them more balanced. Men on the other hand are left to go through hormonal imbalances and told to "suck it up".
In the construction industry, it's something horrific like 1 person dies every day of suicide (I may be wrong, but it's quite significant).
Also the trend is going upwards https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula.../suicidesintheunitedkingdom/2021registrations
It's really quite significant.
If anyone wants to talk please please please do... there's a mental health crisis going on, and you are not alone. Mental health cannot be seen like a broken leg, but it hurts just as much and is far more dangerous.
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There's nothing emasculating about admitting you're suffering from mental health issues, the modern world is a tough place, society is moving at a pace beyond our ability to keep up with it. Wars, money, isolation (covid lockdowns for example), and the general instability of the world can be really hard to deal with. I know I struggle - I seek help regularly.
Heck, even talking on here to someone, sharing your problems is better than keeping them bottled up.
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- SANEline. If you're experiencing a mental health problem or supporting someone else, you can call SANEline on 0300 304 7000 (4.30pm–10.30pm evcery day).
- National Suicide Prevention Helpline UK. Offers a supportive listening service to anyone with thoughts of suicide. You can call the National Suicide Prevention Helpline UK on 0800 689 5652 (6pm to midnight every day).
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- Helplines Partnership. For more options, visit the Helplines Partnership website for a directory of UK helplines. Mind's Infoline can also help you find services that can support you. If you're outside the UK, the Befrienders Worldwide website has a tool to search by country for emotional support helplines around the world.
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Nothing I've written as anything to do with transphobia.
I'm not angry with you because you are sadly part of the problem. Your attitude (and dlockers) will harm yourselves before it'll harm me or others.
We're on a thread talking about mens mental health, yet you're trying to derail it talking about women. It comes across like you need affirmation from a woman to justify yourself.
Seek help.
if this wasn't such a serious subject this would be a hilariously bad take on the discourse , which from all your other hilariously wrong takes in pretty much ever thread should vole as no surprise.
The problem is people like you not wanting to treat the causes but throw around misleading figures without understanding because it suits your agenda.
No one is trying to derail the thread, stop trying to shutdown the debate
No, you are making disparaging comments that can lead to suicides. Transgender people have a far higher suicide rate than men.
You are derailing the thread with the UN comments but the the existence of a World toilet day is important to highlight requirements for sanitation in the poorest regions. Many millions die from eaisly preventable diseases due to lack of sanitation . Whether the UN will recognise world mens day is largely irrelevant because it is internationally recognised anyway and wouldn't impact UN's operation.
"Transgender" people are largely biologically men though. So they'll be included in male stats, same thing.
Woman's day is also recognised internationally anyway, so why is that relevant to the UN and the other isnt?
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Sadly i think telling Men to talk about their problems is not very effective. I mean, this message has ben highlighted a lot in the last 10 years. I get monthyl emails form work about mental health and contacts of company, national and international services that can support. There are lots of charities, campaigns, posters, adds on youtube etc.
The core of the problem is in societal attitudes. This forum is ripe with people harping on about the woke, or proclaiming the importance of big biceps (literally!), or that since they are so Alpha they ignore their wife. We need to remove stereotypes of gender roles and remodel expectations, normalise discussing emotions. We need to adjust the cultural norms surrounding masculinity.
A lot of the reasons for differences in suicide rates also impact cultural aspects tied to socioeconomic factors. Males are seen as the breadwinner and financial security is dependent on them, but as society we don't have anywhere near enough protections on employment rights and the unemployed are stigmatised and under-supported. A more balanced family arrange with both parents taking equal responsibility of both raising children and earning income, with far more safe guards on the income will remove many risk factors form men.
Man of Honour
Don't think so. I think a lot of the issues modern men experience are in fact caused by this sort of effort.
In your opinion, which is not supported at all by scientific evidence.
The fact is , financial security is a big risk factor for male depression and suicide. toxic masculinity is also a driving factor in preventing men communicating about their emotions. Men not feeling as responsible for the well being of their children compared to mothers is another massive factor in different suicide rates.