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It is a revolution
...to your wallet!
...to your wallet!
Soldato
They need to shave £10 off the tariffs.
Although I'm getting a Touch iPod and waiting for iPhone 2.0, which apparantly Jobs said they were working on already. (and iPhone 3.0). I give it 8 - 12 months before we see a new iPhone. I can wait.
Although I'm getting a Touch iPod and waiting for iPhone 2.0, which apparantly Jobs said they were working on already. (and iPhone 3.0). I give it 8 - 12 months before we see a new iPhone. I can wait.
nero120 please post something which is 'revolutionary'
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/07/07/02/apples_iphone_an_initial_but_in_depth_review.html
Just read that. It won't pop your zits for you if that's what your thinking, or do your emo haircut, but it is a good attempt at a fully integrated phone, media and web device. I would say it is revolutionary, not in terms of hardware functionality but more in terms of design - as I consider contemporary mobile phone design to be very lacklustre, simply bungling different techs to ugly devices with awful software. The revolution comes in the fact that this is the first phone that successfully functions as a fully integrated device, designed specifically to function equally well as a phone, media and web device. The same simply cannot be said about the N95, as this is primarily a phone with other functions tacked on. I think its a step forward for the industry and hopefully great things will come because of apples actions, perhaps not from apple directly.
I think many people are missing the point about this phone, whether you get one or not you will benefit indirectly from the jolt this device has been to the industry. It has raised the bar much more so than the N95 has, even without the ever so useful MMS or lightening fast 3G.
My O2 contract is up in December, so I'll wait till then to see how things stand, and hopefully by then I'll have had a chance to play with one properly before deciding if I really want to pay that much money for one.
Also remember, an 8GB ipod touch costs £200 on its own, the iphone is £269, plus the obvious costs for the tariff. It doesnt seem so surprising when though of from that perspective. Are people saying that the media player on the N95 is as good as an ipod? I doubt it. Probably many would buy their N95 and then go out and buy an ipod, so if you can get one device that does both then surely that's an attractive option?
Also I think the hype that Apple commands raises peoples expectations beyond the physically plausible. Apple products, while attractive and functional devices, are flawed. I love my Macbook Pro, but it is overpriced and has some things that really irk me (region locked dvd anyone? Though finally a hack has been released). However, the thing I like about Apple is the are forward thinking, and dare to be different to improve rather than play it safe and do the same old lame thing as everyone else. Sometimes they get it right and when they do, everyone benefits. I think that's worth giving them the benefit of the doubt.
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To be honest, the iPhone is going to be a revolutionary product. I don't think it is at yet - but it will be.
You can rest assured companies who have any sort of investment in phones have been using the iPhone as a blueprint for what their product should be like in years to come - we're talking user experience with the software here.
For Apple to have done as well as they have done with the iPhone is amazing - for however little experience they have in the market. With time for that knowledge to mature and the overall product to improve (in so many ways like Apple products generally do) then we'll be looking at the iPhone for the benchmark for any on-the-go media device.
They haven't nailed it - the likes of the MMS and 3G are evidence enough of that - but when they improve those along with the price (which they will, that can be guaranteed) then it'll truly be worth its weight in 'hype'.
You can rest assured companies who have any sort of investment in phones have been using the iPhone as a blueprint for what their product should be like in years to come - we're talking user experience with the software here.
For Apple to have done as well as they have done with the iPhone is amazing - for however little experience they have in the market. With time for that knowledge to mature and the overall product to improve (in so many ways like Apple products generally do) then we'll be looking at the iPhone for the benchmark for any on-the-go media device.
They haven't nailed it - the likes of the MMS and 3G are evidence enough of that - but when they improve those along with the price (which they will, that can be guaranteed) then it'll truly be worth its weight in 'hype'.
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http://www.thecloud.net/About-us/
Check that out, some pretty decent coverage in my Area (not a Capital City)
Nice to know that I can go in and use their Wi Fi for free, so it does make the pill a bit easier to swallow!
Check that out, some pretty decent coverage in my Area (not a Capital City)
Nice to know that I can go in and use their Wi Fi for free, so it does make the pill a bit easier to swallow!
http://www.thecloud.net/About-us/
Check that out, some pretty decent coverage in my Area (not a Capital City)
Nice to know that I can go in and use their Wi Fi for free, so it does make the pill a bit easier to swallow!
There's quite a few round here too, but they all appear to be in the roughest, skankiest pubs around.. not the kind of place i'd want to be sitting with my shiny new expensive gadget
It seems massively overpriced at the moment. In the US it's normal to spend quite a bit on a phone and get an expensive 24 month contract - here, people pretty much expect their phone to be free if they have to spend £35 a month for 18 months! I'm certainly not willing to pay £270 + £35 x 18 for any phone at the moment. It's much more expensive than even the premium competition - the N95, for example. Given that it's far from perfect in other areas (no 3G, no expandable storage, no third party applications, etc) I wouldn't even consider buying it at the moment.
Soldato
How is the iphone revolutionary? Please explain! The iphone simply isnt revolutionary - It wasnt the first to have such a pda form factor and many others have touted this very concept - including touch screen.
What apple have done which is a good thing, is created a fantastic OS for a mobile - now this will force others to react and to improve their phones. All the other specs simply are nothing new.
Maybe all those going on about the iphone saying its revolutionary should comment in the mobile forum - I think the majority will beg to differ - especially considering people posting in a mac forum may well be posting with Jobs tinited lenses..
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right - I like apple stuff and I want to get either an iphone or a ipod touch.
The logic in me tells me the iphone is underpowered and overpriced for our current market when compared with 2 of the main rivals (in my view), the se w960i and the samsung f700.
Both the f700 and the w960i have touchscreens, they both have media capabilities, they both have very good interfaces (samsung won an award for 'croix' interface). Both are 3g with the f700 being hspda. The w960i has wifi but no hspda, no biggy in my view as mobile browsing isnt really about heavy downloading but I think I would miss the lack of wifi on the f700. Not sure about the f700 but the w960i has opera as its browser and its comparable to safari in all but the purely touchscreen approach (ie double tap etc on iphone). And you will be able to get them all heavily subsidised by the provider.
IIRC 3g only activates as and when its needed on most phones now so batterylife isnt really an issue.
Sizes: well the w960i is 16mm deep (x 109 x 55), the f700 is 16.4mm deep (x 104 x 50) and the 11.6mm (x 115 x 61) so realistically they're all about the same size in volume, its just the shape thats a little different.
Then I think about my current phone, a SE p900, the second in a long line of highly regarded smartphones. Its done the whole portable internet thing for several years now (opera), had the touchscreen (admittedly not multi-touch) for several years too, but how much do I use the mms, the gprs internet (and I have a £25 a month allowance on this) and music features - hardly ever. Email access is a given on most decent phones these days and to be honest even thats rarely used. It does allow mp3 ringtones though
The one thing about the o2 packages that bugs me is the lack of voice minutes and the limited 'unlimited' data (got to love a fup and whatever happened to these false advertising laws). If I buy a phone its to ring people on first, its not to be used as mobile data device and to be honest I'm not prepared to spend 45 quid to get an acceptable amount of talk time, I would rather have less data and text messages.
But do you know something - the stupid side of me that likes all things new and shiny wants to buy an iphone, for no other reason than to say I have an iphone. So the idea for me is simple see how the hack goes when the us phone gets a firmware update and if it goes well buy an iphone and hack it to use on a better network
Whether this is how I feel after actually playing with one is another matter, as I may just be so underwhelmed by the os that I'm like I'll save myself some money and see what bargains I can get from vodafone when I say I'm tempted by an iphone
The logic in me tells me the iphone is underpowered and overpriced for our current market when compared with 2 of the main rivals (in my view), the se w960i and the samsung f700.
Both the f700 and the w960i have touchscreens, they both have media capabilities, they both have very good interfaces (samsung won an award for 'croix' interface). Both are 3g with the f700 being hspda. The w960i has wifi but no hspda, no biggy in my view as mobile browsing isnt really about heavy downloading but I think I would miss the lack of wifi on the f700. Not sure about the f700 but the w960i has opera as its browser and its comparable to safari in all but the purely touchscreen approach (ie double tap etc on iphone). And you will be able to get them all heavily subsidised by the provider.
IIRC 3g only activates as and when its needed on most phones now so batterylife isnt really an issue.
Sizes: well the w960i is 16mm deep (x 109 x 55), the f700 is 16.4mm deep (x 104 x 50) and the 11.6mm (x 115 x 61) so realistically they're all about the same size in volume, its just the shape thats a little different.
Then I think about my current phone, a SE p900, the second in a long line of highly regarded smartphones. Its done the whole portable internet thing for several years now (opera), had the touchscreen (admittedly not multi-touch) for several years too, but how much do I use the mms, the gprs internet (and I have a £25 a month allowance on this) and music features - hardly ever. Email access is a given on most decent phones these days and to be honest even thats rarely used. It does allow mp3 ringtones though
The one thing about the o2 packages that bugs me is the lack of voice minutes and the limited 'unlimited' data (got to love a fup and whatever happened to these false advertising laws). If I buy a phone its to ring people on first, its not to be used as mobile data device and to be honest I'm not prepared to spend 45 quid to get an acceptable amount of talk time, I would rather have less data and text messages.
But do you know something - the stupid side of me that likes all things new and shiny wants to buy an iphone, for no other reason than to say I have an iphone. So the idea for me is simple see how the hack goes when the us phone gets a firmware update and if it goes well buy an iphone and hack it to use on a better network
Whether this is how I feel after actually playing with one is another matter, as I may just be so underwhelmed by the os that I'm like I'll save myself some money and see what bargains I can get from vodafone when I say I'm tempted by an iphone
That is exactly what is revolutionary about it. Whe you compare the iphone to say an N95, as a phone, it is woefully inadequate. But when you look at it as an integrated device, it really comes into its own - mainly because of the os and software design. There are some neat hardware like it's sensors but I think the hardware is not the thing that sets it apart, and certainly not what makes it revolutionary. Remember who this device is targetted at, and the fact that it is Apples first ever mobile phone. Can you say the first Nokia was as forward thinking?
What annoys me is when people seem to be jumping on the "lets bash the iphone cos its not perfect" bandwagon - credit where credit's due eh?
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The iPhone was a revolution in presentation and design.
The multitouch, accelerometer and swank interface blew everything out of the water when it came out.. it's only recently (since June) that other manufacturers are implementing the same tech with varying results.
Anyone who can't admit that obviously hasn't used one, or is simply too bitter to admit it, i'm sorry.
Also, the price of the N95 on launch was pretty expensive.. and that thing has the WORST battery ever.
The multitouch, accelerometer and swank interface blew everything out of the water when it came out.. it's only recently (since June) that other manufacturers are implementing the same tech with varying results.
Anyone who can't admit that obviously hasn't used one, or is simply too bitter to admit it, i'm sorry.
Also, the price of the N95 on launch was pretty expensive.. and that thing has the WORST battery ever.
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phone comes out on the 9th and I'm due a new phone with o2 on the 11th, is this an omen... I currently use GPRS connection with orange on my SE W810i phone and use an nokia N80 on o2 for everything, (like everyone else I found the o2 data prices stupidly expensive) so I spend around 45 pounds a month. but I dont have a regular boardband as I stay a differnet places. it my be worth it, but need to look into it more...
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You can access Skype, it's just not a front-page app.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/08/16/skype_on_iphone/
I understand where you're coming from though.
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Is the accelerometre the thing which detects in what orientation you are holding the phone? If so, the N95 has one as it knows whether you've taken a picture in landscape or portrait and displays it the right way.
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Well Dad's off to the states today for a week and he's going to pick one up for me yay!
Will let you all know what it's like when I get it!
yay! Will let you all know what it's like when I get it!
Are you suggesting that the N95's ability to detect whether you took a pic landscape or portrait is akin to the iphones use of an accelerometre integrated into the interface and normal function of the device?
But you've made my previous point - the N95 is a phone with extra bits of tech tacked on for specs sake, rather than properly designed and integrated into the device. This is exactly why the iphone is revolutionary, becuase people are actually expecting things to be tacked on, rather than designed properly. Is this why there is so much venom towards the iphone? People fear what they don't expect?