iPhone - Those who will be buying one, in here.

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nero120 said:
Is this why there is so much venom towards the iphone? People fear what they don't expect?
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I'll give iPhone it's dues for being a "revolutionary product" in terms of OS intergration and certain functionality. However, I don't think it's "fear" that's people spitting venom at the iPhone for - but mostly for the attitude Apple have approached the Mobile Market in Europe/UK.

We are, to an extend, much more advance in terms of Mobile use and we expect Apple to come down to "our level" of approach with their tech and functionality - i.e. The pricing AND the high priced Tariff.

But I can't blame them for bringing their "American" ways over here, if they did not, you'll probably see more flaming from the Americans than us.

Ultimately, I hope the pricing will put off all the Tom Dick and Harrys from getting one here in the UK - let Apple's marketing team realise their mistake and perhaps do a price drop?

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I think it's good that it's not free, but I wish you could pick another 02 Tariff to use with it.

After all, if it was free on contract you'd get all the 16,17 year olds with an iPhone and it would seriously bring the "cool" factor down.

I might ring up 02 in a week and ask them about alternative tariffs.
 
I may be alone but I reckon it's priced about right and it's much as expected except the cloud access for wifi, which is kinda nice of them to bundle.

I think apple always wanted it to be a little on the expensive side, the ipod line in general is a premium product after all.

Personally I won't get one, I've ordered a 16GB ipod touch and I have a work blackberry which I need to use and I don't want to carry two phones. If it had been on another network (vodafone or orange) I might have been more tempted but to be I had such a bad experience last time I used o2 I wouldn't go back.
 
nero120 said:
That is exactly what is revolutionary about it. Whe you compare the iphone to say an N95, as a phone, it is woefully inadequate. But when you look at it as an integrated device, it really comes into its own - mainly because of the os and software design. There are some neat hardware like it's sensors but I think the hardware is not the thing that sets it apart, and certainly not what makes it revolutionary. Remember who this device is targetted at, and the fact that it is Apples first ever mobile phone. Can you say the first Nokia was as forward thinking?

What annoys me is when people seem to be jumping on the "lets bash the iphone cos its not perfect" bandwagon - credit where credit's due eh?
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A good OS does not make a revolutionary phone! yes its great, yes its going to change the market which is what I have been saying since it was announced - ie its going to force the mobile manufacturers to sort out their OS's ie make them bug free and slicker. The N95 integrates music and video perfectly well - no not as well as the iphone however still a good solution.

"Can you say the first Nokia was as forward thinking?" Is such a ridiculous statement, i cant believe you wrote it - come on - when Nokia was making phones the tech was in its absolute infancy - now you could say the N95 was a real line in the sand and a real step forward and as a device more advanced than the iphone even though it is far older. The iphone has basically built on all the advances made by Nokia, SE etc - apple wouldnt be able to make the iphone without these manufacturers - seriously take a bigger view and stop thinking apple as the divine creator of everything perfect!

Now as I said before, I can see the benefits and advantages of the iphone and would be tempted to buy one, however as an N95 and ipod owner it doesnt really offer much of a benefit to me. Yes it has a great OS and build but not revolutionary.

EVH said:
The iPhone was a revolution in presentation and design.

The multitouch, accelerometer and swank interface blew everything out of the water when it came out.. it's only recently (since June) that other manufacturers are implementing the same tech with varying results.

Anyone who can't admit that obviously hasn't used one, or is simply too bitter to admit it, i'm sorry.

Also, the price of the N95 on launch was pretty expensive.. and that thing has the WORST battery ever.
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um the Prada phone came out before the iphone - with infact a very similar interface - who is implementing what first and who is copying who? They all are copying and modifying each others improvements. - ie 'evolving';)

I am not bitter whatsoever - the iphone is a good phone, and I am not saying its rubbish, its just not the Jesusphone as people imply!

For your info the N95 has a 6.5 hour talk time, the iphone 8 hours - not the biggest difference is it... Yep the N95 needs a better battery (see N95 8gb coming out next month) but it is no way the worst battery (N80 might hold that accolade!)
 
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I wasn't saying you were bitter specifically, just some people got a bit personal about the whole thing (again, not naming names) :o

I'm not here to start a flame war, but the N95 battery is *said* to last about 2 days if you're a power user.. however, my point was the battery of the iPhone is generally better. Also, all the arguments against the iPhone mentioned the N95, hence my targeted argument.

As for the LG Prada.. well, I wouldn't get, it but it does look similar.
 
EVH said:
I wasn't saying you were bitter specifically, just some people got a bit personal about the whole thing (again, not naming names) :o

I'm not here to start a flame war, but the N95 battery is *said* to last about 2 days if you're a power user.. however, my point was the battery of the iPhone is generally better. Also, all the arguments against the iPhone mentioned the N95, hence my targeted argument.

As for the LG Prada.. well, I wouldn't get, it but it does look similar.
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I am not here to start a flame war either, yep course the N95 battery isnt the best, I agree the iphone has a better battery life, I havent professed that the N95 is perfect nor the iphone, and nor would I get an LG it looks awful!:p I was just trying to balance the argument and stop people calling something revolutionary that blantantly isnt.;) I just get annoyed with the ultra apple lovers and the apple haters in equal measure!
 
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I would say the price is what i expected for the iPhone tbh. Though i would maybe have expected more flexibility in the contracts.
When my phone is up for renewal i will look at it, but i just don't know, will see what new Blackberry's there are at the time.
 
Squarehed said:
Buy it. Unlock it. PAYG/other contract(all you'll be without is visual voicemail). Job done.
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And it took how long for someone else to realise this? :eek:


Guys, you don't have to take the contract that O2 want to shove down our throats. Activation and contract sign-up work just the same as they do now in the states, so just buy the thing, take it home and unlock it. Easy peasy.

£269 for a SIM-free iPhone? Hell yeah.
 
Doug said:
And it took how long for someone else to realise this? :eek:


Guys, you don't have to take the contract that O2 want to shove down our throats. Activation and contract sign-up work just the same as they do now in the states, so just buy the thing, take it home and unlock it. Easy peasy.

£269 for a SIM-free iPhone? Hell yeah.
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You can't get any offical software updates if you do that though. Some changes to the itunes store could possibly render it unuseable to non updated phones, same with any other Apple services.

Apple may change their activation system due to the recent issues.
 
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Indeed.

Apple might not be able to stop people unlocking them (it's legal to do so in the EU after all) but there's nothing stopping them withdrawing iTunes, firmware updates service, etc from people who have.
 
I don't think it's guaranteed that UK iPhones will be able to be unlocked. What's to say that they won't ship with an updated firmware from day one day that stops (or at least blocks for a while) them from being unlocked?

(Or is it UK law that they must provide an official path to unlocking? Not sure on that one.. :o)
 
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Well if it's anything like the iPod Touch then a firmware update is going to ruin ALL the hackers previous efforts.

AFAIK the iPod Touch firmware rendered all previous hacks useless.. they can't even jailbreak it anymore.

I'd say if you want to hack the iPhone UK then wait a few weeks after launch to see what the situation is; otherwise you might just get stuck.
 
EVH said:
Well if it's anything like the iPod Touch then a firmware update is going to ruin ALL the hackers previous efforts.

AFAIK the iPod Touch firmware rendered all previous hacks useless.. they can't even jailbreak it anymore.

I'd say if you want to hack the iPhone UK then wait a few weeks after launch to see what the situation is; otherwise you might just get stuck.
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Really? Didnt hear about that.

IIRC (having worked for vodafone) phone unlock codes are not IMEI specific - for nokia phones anyway. So could this theoretically happen:

Buy iphone on 18 month contract.
Request unlock code (and pay £35)
Return phone within 14 days
Purchase iphone via apple
Apply unlock code

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I heard there were issues with how Apple wanted to do things over here, because there's some kind of EU directive that all phones have to have the ability to be unlocked. Anyone shed any light on this and the way it applies to the iphone?

Another idea would be: Buy phone. Unlock. Use PAYG until an update renders your unlocked phone useless and unuseable. If you really want to keep using the phone, just sign up with O2. Do a restore in itunes and job done... If you don't want to use the phone, sell an unactivated iphone for as near as 270 as you can possibly get.

I think I'll be buying one and signing up as well, although it's difficult to justify, but hey! You only live once. And the way i see it, is that you're paying £200 for the iPod Touch 8GB, £70 for the phone functions, then your contract. That doesn't sound all that bad really does it?
 
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I had an idea of unlocking it and using on PAYG, but seriously, data charges will be sky high, surely? Unless of course you can stop yourself using it! (I probably can't)

So, I have another plan, possible to get an unlimited data plan, and is still somewhat better value for money than the £35 iPhone tariff?
 
I'd not be using EDGE that much anyway, or 3G for that matter, coverage in my area's crap for both and I've got wifi at home and at various places nearby has the CLOUD freee, so that's cool :)
 
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