Iron Fist on Netflix
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I need to watch it? 10 seconds of the trailer was enough, and given the comments in this forum I was right to presume it is crap.
Just a bunch of half-baked shows cobbled together as quickly as possible to cash in on the present superhero fad.
I will say just like LC i enjoyed the start but found the use of the powers particularly boring. They never seem to live up to their potential. About 8 episodes into each I found myself not caring much about the ending.
JJ and DD were intense through-out. Shame.
JJ and DD were intense through-out. Shame.
I have to admit that while the show started off well, in my opinion anyway, the story isn't as engaging as I had hoped it would be. I'm on episode 11 right now and the story seems to be taking a long time to have any major developments.
Also we don't exactly get to see him use his powers a lot, do we?
Also we don't exactly get to see him use his powers a lot, do we?
Well for your opinion to have any weight or be taken seriously, yeah you kinda need to have at least watched some of it. As it is you have spent far more time in this thread commenting on how bad it is and how bad superhero shows are in general than time spent actually watching the show that is the subject of the thread. Fair enough, I mean its the internet, everyone gets a voice, even it has no basis. Luke Cage and Iron Fist have been disappointing (although I do prefer IF to JC) but Daredevil and Jessica Jones were very well received, Daredevil esepcially. Your comments about being right that superhero shows are rubbish as the show isn't very good holds no weight as Netflixed produced THE superhero show for a lot of people very recently.
But keep commenting, personally i'd try and find something I would like to watch rather than complain about things I haven't even seen but each to their own
Just finished the last episode.
6/10 for me. I liked it, but it fell short of the mark across almost every category. Cinematography, choreography, quality of the writing and acting. It felt like it was made by the Marvel/Netflix B-team. It's a shame; I can't see any reason why it couldn't have been as good as Daredevil.
On the other hand, it has set things up nicely for The Defenders, and possibly another Iron Fist outing in the future. They'll know what they have to work on. Seeing that many of the people who made Daredevil great are on board for The Defenders gives me some confidence.
6/10 for me. I liked it, but it fell short of the mark across almost every category. Cinematography, choreography, quality of the writing and acting. It felt like it was made by the Marvel/Netflix B-team. It's a shame; I can't see any reason why it couldn't have been as good as Daredevil.
On the other hand, it has set things up nicely for The Defenders, and possibly another Iron Fist outing in the future. They'll know what they have to work on. Seeing that many of the people who made Daredevil great are on board for The Defenders gives me some confidence.
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Finished it this evening also. Meh. And just to be contrary, I'm going to be more convoluted with my rankings;
DareDevil (season 1) > Jessica Jones > Luke Cage (first half of season 1) > DareDevil (season 2) > Iron Fist > Luke Cage (second half of season 1).
Still hopeful for The Defenders... Just.
DareDevil (season 1) > Jessica Jones > Luke Cage (first half of season 1) > DareDevil (season 2) > Iron Fist > Luke Cage (second half of season 1).
Still hopeful for The Defenders... Just.
Just finished watching that scene and came here to complain how ***** the fight scenes are
.I quite like the story with this one but the acting for some of them is just awkward and the fight scenes seem to be choreographed by the shortstaff guy from GD.
Then again I am not the iron fist so maybe those seemingly pointless flips and punches that dont connect are actually tactical
.I'd go for a slight variation; DD S1 > LC H1 > DD S2 > JJ > IF > LC H2. Ranked as whole seasons, Luke Cage would be bottom simply because the second half was just that bad. JJ loses out to DD S2 because it got seriously snoozy in parts. They could have dropped whole episodes and lost nothing.
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Just finished watching that scene and came here to complain how ***** the fight scenes are
I quite like the story with this one but the acting for some of them is just awkward and the fight scenes seem to be choreographed by the shortstaff guy from GD.
Then again I am not the iron fist so maybe those seemingly pointless flips and punches that dont connect are actually tactical
The fighting throughout is so bad. Where putting all your energy into a knock out/finishing punch makes sense, he puts all his energy into spinning in the air three times then a kick with zero force at the end of it.
It's showy fighting, rather than effective fighting, except on camera showy fighting always looks showing and ineffective and effective fighting(doing the simple stuff perfectly) looks so much stronger and better on camera. It's also vastly easier to show one big knock out punch on camera and not screw up the contact than it is to spin 3 times in the air and make a kick land. Bad direction, bad choreography and worst still, extremely bad stunt work from the actors.
That they set up Joy in the final scenes to be Laurel in S2 Arrow irked me no end. S2 Laurel decided it was the Arrow's fault that what's his face died, even though it had literally nothing to do with him. Here they seem to be setting it up that after 13 years of her father being alive and lying and manipulating her entire life and company, that he had the company involved with the hand, that he was clearly psychotic and pure evil that drove her beloved brother to drug use..... it's definitely all Danny's fault because he appeared in the past month.
Then just a shout out for Claire, the most awful CW-style moral centre of now all the shows, who also like Laurel trained for a month and is suddenly fighting the same guys these 'superhero' types who have trained for a decade or more or have super powers are fighting and doesn't seem to have any problems. Apart from being awful with their moral claptrap, the way it breaks any sense of the super training or super powers the others have, when someone who has basically never trained before can spend 2 hours in a gym and fight alongside them. Everything about her character makes al the series she's in worse.
Then just a shout out for Claire, the most awful CW-style moral centre of now all the shows, who also like Laurel trained for a month and is suddenly fighting the same guys these 'superhero' types who have trained for a decade or more or have super powers are fighting and doesn't seem to have any problems. Apart from being awful with their moral claptrap, the way it breaks any sense of the super training or super powers the others have, when someone who has basically never trained before can spend 2 hours in a gym and fight alongside them. Everything about her character makes al the series she's in worse.
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I'm really enjoying Iron fist, but I couldn't argue with peoples concerns over it though. But then I really enjoyed Merlin on BBC so I guess my standards are pretty low lol.
I do agree. It's a shame though as into the badlands has shown showy can still work without looking like crap. Some of the punches looked closer to dance moves than anything with actual force or intent behind them and 9/10 fights involved at least one twist of the opponents wrist sending them into some insane flip.
I guess in daredevil the vast majority of fighting was done when the characters were in masks so they could have swapped out for stuntmen/women.
For a show about martial arts masters it didn't seem to have a lot of them in it
.Shame the storyline was really good in my opinion just let down by the fight scenes. It's not like netflix hasn't done it before.
I don't mind the series in general but like others I just cannot fathom how those fight scenes made it into the final cut. Does the actor who plays Danny Rand have absolutely no talent in that area?
He is supposed to be a living weapon forged from 15 years of relentless martial arts training, constant fights and tests etc and he comes back as a guy with the physique of a part time gym goer and the fighting ability of an above average henchman. It just makes no sense. Part of what made Luke Cage a beast was that he just tanked his way through people. You didn't want to mess with him. If Danny was every a serious issue for the hand they would just shoot him. Hes almost entirely useless at everything he does.
I don't know why, but his messing around with the company annoys me more than it should as well. Comes in ***** things up and disappears. No consideration for the fact that a multi billion dollar company has thousands of workers and people that depend on the company for their livelihoods and when he runs the company into the ground they will suffer. Thats ok though because a few people who may have cancer from one of their plants will get millions and the PAs will have dental for 6 months before being unemployed.
Show had so much potential but they just messed up in so many areas.
He is supposed to be a living weapon forged from 15 years of relentless martial arts training, constant fights and tests etc and he comes back as a guy with the physique of a part time gym goer and the fighting ability of an above average henchman. It just makes no sense. Part of what made Luke Cage a beast was that he just tanked his way through people. You didn't want to mess with him. If Danny was every a serious issue for the hand they would just shoot him. Hes almost entirely useless at everything he does.
I don't know why, but his messing around with the company annoys me more than it should as well. Comes in ***** things up and disappears. No consideration for the fact that a multi billion dollar company has thousands of workers and people that depend on the company for their livelihoods and when he runs the company into the ground they will suffer. Thats ok though because a few people who may have cancer from one of their plants will get millions and the PAs will have dental for 6 months before being unemployed.
Show had so much potential but they just messed up in so many areas.
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Well for your opinion to have any weight or be taken seriously, yeah you kinda need to have at least watched some of it.
And I'm sure many would agree with you
I however, do not.Lets look Heroes reborn. I watched the trailer and it was laughable. I watched the first episode and never went back to it. I was left thinking, how can you reboot a show and make it even more rubbish when you have the benefit of hindsight?
Needless to say, we all know what happened to that and I was right to snub that too.
Just finished watching the first series and would give it a 6/10 perhaps.
Nothing really made that much sense, either they are leaving a lot of things to explain in the second series or they didn't really know where they were going with it.
It feels like they rushed the whole thing and got it out of the door without much quality control or thought. You can see that Danny Rand gets better at fighting as the series goes on and his physique changes as well. He gets a little bit more cut as it progresses. The fight scenes are good in places which makes the ones with Danny in them that much more obviously bad. It suffers from the same problem as things like the flash where you realise that if he was as deadly as it appears he would dispatch the bad guys too easily. That being said, someone would have shot Danny at some point after getting really annoyed with him.
It feels like a mish mash of ideas with characters motives and actions completely contrasting a lot of the time. Danny is supposed to have a strong moral compass yet most of his actions are actually detrimental to others. If he was given the choice between directly killing someone and letting that person kill 50 others he would let those 50 die. I don't know, it felt like a chore to watch half the time and there comes a point where a show has pushed its luck too far and I feel Iron Fist did that within 4-5 episodes.
Nothing really made that much sense, either they are leaving a lot of things to explain in the second series or they didn't really know where they were going with it.
It feels like they rushed the whole thing and got it out of the door without much quality control or thought. You can see that Danny Rand gets better at fighting as the series goes on and his physique changes as well. He gets a little bit more cut as it progresses. The fight scenes are good in places which makes the ones with Danny in them that much more obviously bad. It suffers from the same problem as things like the flash where you realise that if he was as deadly as it appears he would dispatch the bad guys too easily. That being said, someone would have shot Danny at some point after getting really annoyed with him.
It feels like a mish mash of ideas with characters motives and actions completely contrasting a lot of the time. Danny is supposed to have a strong moral compass yet most of his actions are actually detrimental to others. If he was given the choice between directly killing someone and letting that person kill 50 others he would let those 50 die. I don't know, it felt like a chore to watch half the time and there comes a point where a show has pushed its luck too far and I feel Iron Fist did that within 4-5 episodes.
I have not yet started watching this, but by the sounds of it, it does not bode well for The Defenders series does it?
I mean Daredevil was very good, but beyond that? Obviously people have differing opinions, but for me JJ was barely tolerable - Tennant was probably all that convinced me to see it through to the end. Luke Cage? Well, he was bland in JJ but I optimistically hoped maybe I would be impressed, I lasted 3 episodes, so it turned out JJ was actually better (and considering most seem to feel LC had a strong start and got worse, I dread to think how it was in the later episodes).
Now Iron Fist, even the more flattering people here seem to be giving a 6/10 (hardly a great score) and most rate it second to Daredevil. So if the second best char of The Defenders was a 6/10, it doesn't look great. Seems to be:
DD>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>IF/JJ>>>LC
I mean Daredevil was very good, but beyond that? Obviously people have differing opinions, but for me JJ was barely tolerable - Tennant was probably all that convinced me to see it through to the end. Luke Cage? Well, he was bland in JJ but I optimistically hoped maybe I would be impressed, I lasted 3 episodes, so it turned out JJ was actually better (and considering most seem to feel LC had a strong start and got worse, I dread to think how it was in the later episodes).
Now Iron Fist, even the more flattering people here seem to be giving a 6/10 (hardly a great score) and most rate it second to Daredevil. So if the second best char of The Defenders was a 6/10, it doesn't look great. Seems to be:
DD>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>IF/JJ>>>LC
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Finished the last episode last night...
Fighting was awful, I'm no expert on Kung Fu except for the vast amount of Kung Fu films I watch, but it looked terrible to me. As has been said earlier in the thread, this guy was meant to have been spending the last 15 years at a Shaolin temple with the body and mental conditioning they go through, neither his physique or actions matched that premise.
The actor playing Danny Rand was off-puttingly bad. In contrast I really enjoyed the performance of the guy playing Ward Meechum, he was one of the saving graces for the show.
The nurse from every Marvel Netflix series is now getting stupid to the point that it's actually annoying me. Yeah, right, she just happens to be getting self-defense lessons from one of the main protagonists in the show..... do me a favour!
Overall though, despite the above, I still quite enjoyed the show but wouldn't give it more than 5/10.
Stand-alone Punisher series can't come soon enough, he was the highlight of DD series 2 for me.
My ratings: DD2>DD1>JJ>IF>LC
Fighting was awful, I'm no expert on Kung Fu except for the vast amount of Kung Fu films I watch, but it looked terrible to me. As has been said earlier in the thread, this guy was meant to have been spending the last 15 years at a Shaolin temple with the body and mental conditioning they go through, neither his physique or actions matched that premise.
The actor playing Danny Rand was off-puttingly bad. In contrast I really enjoyed the performance of the guy playing Ward Meechum, he was one of the saving graces for the show.
The nurse from every Marvel Netflix series is now getting stupid to the point that it's actually annoying me. Yeah, right, she just happens to be getting self-defense lessons from one of the main protagonists in the show..... do me a favour!
Overall though, despite the above, I still quite enjoyed the show but wouldn't give it more than 5/10.
Stand-alone Punisher series can't come soon enough, he was the highlight of DD series 2 for me.
My ratings: DD2>DD1>JJ>IF>LC