Caporegime
No the bloody PH level dropped and it wanted more sanitiser!
Is the snake oil slowly retreating from the Hi-Fi industry?
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No the bloody PH level dropped and it wanted more sanitiser!
Wow - not only are you buying into snake oil, it seems you've been sniffing & drinking it too.
If a high-end cable can affect sound quality (i.e. altering it during transmission), then USB must be unreliable at data transfer. Except it demonstrably isn't.
Soldato
Come on now, I'm not fixed in any old ways. And you didnt answer my question, again. Look, Str!x, any point you were trying to making about how we try to burn you down has been utterly egg-faced by your own petulance. So well done, i guess.
'Who's house is of glass, must not throw stones at another'.
It seems to be seeping into anything audio doesn't it? So there's thousands upon thousands of pc guys who wish to have a audiophile type quality pc that have been led down the garden path. The same guys who by their own valition have spoken with each other on these forums and have brought forward to the fore the audiophile pc? It's a little like open source linux. it's always being added to. But it seems that some unscrupulous companies who have seen a niche and wish to take money of these mugs, plying their snake oil. There are forums with thousands upon thousands of pages dedicated to this all for nought? such a waste.
Just press play on your pc and that song will play exactly as it should on a cd right?.. Something else new I have learnt today. Femto clock purchase avoided eh?
At no point have I mentioned degraded data transfer. Some of you guys just jump in feet first don't you, johnson swinging in the air on the way in, with your I'll show him attitude. it's quite amusing it really is. I mean who's to say that data transfer doesn't carry a certain amount of unwanted noise with it? But what would I know? The more I talk the less educated I feel I really do. I'd go and take a shower to cleanse my soul, but it's full of guys in there playing light sabers.
I shall refer you to my opening comment,, 'well , that is a can of worms , isn't it?'. Maybe that means something else to others. what say you James?
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Soldato
Id say id give him a shovel but it looks like he has his own.
There's truth in some of what he says, but his attitude is just too much even for me.
There's truth in some of what he says, but his attitude is just too much even for me.
Sorry, I did skim read the bit about better shielding and misread that as an audible difference.
Unwanted noise? Ah yes, this is what the marketing spiel wants you believe is a problem - better watch out for noise or interference in cheap, inferior cables as it could potentially impact on the fidelity of the original source material. And let's cut to the chase here - this is exactly what the £500 USB cable manufacturers are directly implying - that their cables are shielded in order to preserve the integrity of the music data.
Here's a snippet from Russ Andrews and the £1250 (!!!) silver USB Kimber Kable:
According to them, shielding is so vitally important that it warrants such attention.
Riddle me this: if I used one these expensive USB cables in my pc setup, say from external hard drive to the computer itself, will I notice a difference in the data being transferred?
Obviously there isn't a yes, so let's move straight on....
Maybe it's in the performance spec, perhaps my data will get transferred a bit quicker? In that case you would expect music to be streamed/played quicker....?
If the answer is no, then what exactly is the benefit in using one? The mess of cables under my desk is quite awful tbh, data cables entwined with power cables (5 external drives, 13 power sockets in use), so you would expect this to be a hotbed of RF & electrical interference, yet I suffer no data corruption, no problems.
How can this be possible?
Surely my inferior cables with their pathetic shielding should be susceptible to all this?
Is it magic?
Luck?
Why aren't computer hardware manufacturers taking this shielding problem more seriously, as it's obviously a serious issue that only the audiophile market has addressed?
Or is it simply a case of a problem that exists in the analogue world being used to "scare" people into believing that digital data can suffer the same fate?
And silly me, I forgot that these super duper cables only make a difference in audio systems that cost megabucks, because that's where the snake oil works best.
I installed a 40amp cable to my hot-tub, yet the performance has not improvedi feel robbed should have stuck to 32amp.
For the love of God, how on Earth do you expect to get improved performance if you didn't also upgrade to a Super Fuse and silver shielded oxygen free mains lead with platinum pins? Cloth eared philistines may claim it makes no difference, but I can assure you that the fidelity of the bubbles was markedly improved and opening up the rich midrange detail of the hot water has made a night and day difference.
I suggest you read this.
https://audiophilestyle.com/forums/...y-improve-the-sq-of-computer-audio-streaming/
The part where I mention pc users, you know regular joes getting together and brining to the fore the audiophile pc.
Read this and try to understand it. It may be hard work for someone like you, especially with your blinkers on, but I have faith in you.I have been there since the start of the thread.
Then maybe just maybe you might come back and say something of worth. You might even be able to talk to me on a level I may find vaguely interesting.
Flat earthers are alive and well in this thread.
Don
Just lol....
Removing a network switch and adding a 2nd connection to your PC to link directly to your NAS improves sound quality lol....
Most music software buffers the audio file before playing anyway... no way that audio packets can arrive out of order.
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And more lols - USB Cables:
https://audiophilestyle.com/forums/...reaming/page/123/?tab=comments#comment-697211
So a USB cable can now make the 0's and 1's sound more "in your face" and "natural"??? In what way can it possibly change 0's and 1's
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They do take it seriously and it is addressed because it can be a serious issue. Most home users don’t bother because their equipment and data aren’t important enough or they don’t understand when extra shielding is needed and so use the wrong cable. That’s if they need shielding in the first place as many don’t. But just as often I have seen many who should be using a shielded cable at home and do not and others who do not realize the problem they have is due to lack of shielding.
Both at home and at work I have plenty of shielded cables and equipment and many places prefer shielded cables for valid reasons. I have no idea why you think only the audiophile market has addressed this as its common practice in many markets to use shielded cables. Though that £1000 USB stick looks like pure snake oil.
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Oh Jez. I’m sorry man, I can’t take you seriously. You are basing your audiophile knowledge or lack of be honest on the level of £5 cable from a shop called Richer sounds?Probably not bigger (the current requirements are not high) but moving it from the 5 gang and shielding may have been the trick
This shop that sells really low end to below mid range hi fi gear for the masses who know no different. I doubt you even own a hi fi or have even done any A/B testing so you can make an informed decision.
I pretty sure I don’t need anyone to tell me what I am hearing.
Maybe you should talk to this guy. He’s called Steve Hoffman. He’s a mastering engineer. You might be able to use your degree in whatever it was you got it in.
Here is a post from him.
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The only person that needs laughing at is you. These are just regular people and you come along and with your blinkers on as well . Skim read over 600 hundred pages and your first comment is just lol.
Yet another rock thrower who assumes he has a horse in this race.
Read it......it’s just 600 + pages of nonsense by people who are dummer than you.
You need to learn to quit mate, i was the only one being civil to you despite all of this utter nonsense. I broke down to you factually why you may have seen an improvement from your A to B. Factually, there is a limit when it comes to this, that limit is a low bar. I have explained this, there is no argument to be had, you need to accept this.
To clarify...i am not in any way bothered about what you do...i hope you enjoy the system and i am sure that the cabling is fantastic and solid. The comments are merely that technically, they are not actually better than any other well built normal shielded cable. This doesnt just apply to the power cords
To clarify...i am not in any way bothered about what you do...i hope you enjoy the system and i am sure that the cabling is fantastic and solid. The comments are merely that technically, they are not actually better than any other well built normal shielded cable. This doesnt just apply to the power cords
But it does. That’s factual.You need to learn to quit mate, i was the only one being civil to you despite all of this utter nonsense. I broke down to you factually why you may have seen an improvement from your A to B. Factually, there is a limit when it comes to this, that limit is a low bar. I have explained this, there is no argument to be had, you need to accept this.
To clarify...i am not in any way bothered about what you do...i hope you enjoy the system and i am sure that the cabling is fantastic and solid. The comments are merely that technically, they are not actually better than any other well built normal shielded cable. This doesnt just apply to the power cords
Don
How can a USB cable make the 0's and 1's any different?
I have explained this technically and been far more civil, despite the nonsense, than anybody else in doing so
You need to accept it.To lighten the mood, this argument made me instantly think of this: https://youtu.be/dQhILqDuAMs?t=71
"I've told you the information, at some point you will accept it"While I still think that USB cable is snake oil I used to say the same thing about HDMI cables until found out I was wrong. HDMI and USB cables can impact the 0's and 1's normally due to bandwidth and distance and I have come across super cheap USB's that corrupt the 0's and 1's and problems with HDMI dropping 0's and 1's causing corruption. EDIT: But once you get good enough quality that it works upgrade to a £1000 cable wont make any difference.
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