Israel-Hamas war - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

Status
Not open for further replies.
I don't support either side in this but all the time on the news its constant Israel are the victims and can do no wrong yet here they are basically killing thousands of innocent people with airstrikes and whatever else they decide to throw at them, cutting off power, water supplies, food, basically everything needed to survive to innocent civilians and treating the whole Gaza Strip as a war zone. Why are we supposed to be so supportive to Israel while they make the lives of the innocent, including children, absolute hell. Israel seem hell bent on playing the innocent party yet they've just as much caused this mess with their policies for the whole area.
 
Rroff said:
How so? go look through the Afghan thread and see the number of times Biden made claims which turned out to be completely false.

Then there are an array of other claims he has made which haven't turned out to be reality:


https://news.yahoo.com/pentagon-quickly-refutes-biden-claim-204000960.html https://edition.cnn.com/2021/08/20/politics/fact-check-al-qaeda-gone-afghanistan-biden/index.html

The claims he made as to graduating from Syracuse University, etc. etc. there are many many more.
Click to expand...

Both instances of being provided faulty inteligence, this is pretty black & white of him seeing the photos himself - carry on burying your head in the sand if you wish but you're denying reality at this point.
 
thegrayzone.com

Source of dubious ‘beheaded babies’ claim is Israeli settler leader who incited riots to ‘wipe out’ Palestinian village - The Grayzone

After an Israeli reserve soldier named David Ben Zion told a reporter Palestinian militants "cut [off] heads of babies," Biden, Netanyahu, and the international media amplified the dubious claim. The Grayzone has identified Ben Zion as a fanatical settler leader who incited riots by demanding a...
thegrayzone.com thegrayzone.com

After an Israeli reserve soldier named David Ben Zion told a reporter Palestinian militants “cut [off] heads of babies,” Biden, Netanyahu, and the international media amplified the dubious claim.​

The Grayzone has identified Ben Zion as a fanatical settler leader who incited riots by demanding a Palestinian town be “wiped out.”​

Click to expand...

Sky news basically rubbished the claims too in a article earlier today.
 
Craterloads said:
thegrayzone.com

Source of dubious ‘beheaded babies’ claim is Israeli settler leader who incited riots to ‘wipe out’ Palestinian village - The Grayzone

After an Israeli reserve soldier named David Ben Zion told a reporter Palestinian militants "cut [off] heads of babies," Biden, Netanyahu, and the international media amplified the dubious claim. The Grayzone has identified Ben Zion as a fanatical settler leader who incited riots by demanding a...
thegrayzone.com thegrayzone.com



Sky news basically rubbished the claims too in a article earlier today.
Click to expand...

I wouldn't take Sky News too seriously at the moment frankly, not after Kay Burley lying this morning about the Palestinian Ambassador.
 
diamount said:
Both instances of being provided faulty inteligence, this is pretty black & white of him seeing the photos himself - carry on burying your head in the sand if you wish but you're denying reality at this point.
Click to expand...

I'm not claiming these events did not happen, but responding to the notion that Biden is any kind of reliable arbitrator of what has or hasn't happened even when he claims something is confirmed. This isn't just about a couple of instances he has a long, verifiable, history including instances of things just like this through to things as silly as more than once claiming he is more than 100 years old :s

Though people like to try and write it off as him "misspeaking".
 
This is the guy who all this stems from, pic on right apparently hours after he had witnessed said gruesome scene. BS

ben-zion.png
 
Rroff said:
I'm not claiming these events did not happen, but responding to the notion that Biden is any kind of reliable arbitrator of what has or hasn't happened even when he claims something is confirmed. This isn't just about a couple of instances he has a long, verifiable, history including instances of things just like this through to things as silly as more than once claiming he is more than 100 years old :s

Though people like to try and write it off as him "misspeaking".
Click to expand...
He didn't confirm claims, he said he had seen the pics himself. That's quite a hill to get yourself off of.
 
dlockers said:
He didn't confirm claims, he said he had seen the pics himself. That's quite a hill to get yourself off of.
Click to expand...

He has said a lot of things including first hand claims just like that which have turned out to be untrue. As before there are several instances of it in respect to Afghanistan which can be verified.
 
dlockers said:
He didn't confirm claims, he said he had seen the pics himself. That's quite a hill to get yourself off of.
Click to expand...

However you have the Anadolu Agency who have quoted an Israeli army spokesperson as clarifying that it had no confirmation of the claim.
 
Last edited:
Whichever but casting doubt over one atrocity when bodies lie all over the country and have been filmed being abused does not in the parlance of our American cousins amount to a hill of beans.

Hamas will be toast.
 
Rroff said:
He has said a lot of things including first hand claims just like that which have turned out to be untrue. As before there are several instances of it in respect to Afghanistan which can be verified.
Click to expand...
What? He said he saw the photos.
 
This guy seems like a real piece of **** extremist jew.

David Ben Zion, is a leader of the Shomron Regional Council of 35 illegal West Bank settlements who called this year for the Palestinian village of Huwara to be “wiped out.”

“Enough talk about building and strengthening the settlements,” Ben David said in a Twitter post on February 26, 2023. The deterrence that was lost must return now, there’s no room for mercy.”

Ben David was quoted in Israeli media proclaiming soon after, “The village of Huwara should be wiped out, this place is a nest of terror and the punishment should be for everyone,” a clear call for the collective punishment of Palestinians.
Ben David’s tweet was ‘liked’ on Twitter by Israel’s-then Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich, a move which prompted 22 legal scholars to call on the Attorney General to open an investigation into the official for “inducing war crimes.” When Smotrich later echoed Ben David, calling to “wipe out” Huwara the following month, the US Department of State condemned his rhetoric as “dangerous.”

The village of Huwara was at the time the target of violent rioting by settlers operating under Ben David’s watch. Following the settler assault on the town, which resulted in the torching of scores of homes and vehicles, as well as injuries to locals, Hamas characterized the attack as a “declaration of war.”



But Ben David’s call for collective punishment in Huwara was far from his only genocidal imprecation against Palestinians. Indeed, he has used his social media accounts to repeatedly call for war crimes as well as the “deportation of the [Palestinian] masses.”
Click to expand...
“The Palestinian people… [are] an enemy,” Ben David wrote in 2016. “We can’t change their barbaric DNA.”
Click to expand...
During his failed campaign for the Israeli Knesset in 2021 with the pro-settler Jewish Home party, Ben David described his mission as follows: ”I am committed to the task of restoring the political home of religious Zionism.”

Lead member of Israel’s apocalyptic Temple movement​

Ben David appears to have been at the forefront of settler extremism for years. He was photographed in 2015 (below) holding a microphone for the fanatical settler ideologue Noam Livnat, a self-described “radical right-wing messianist.”
Click to expand...

So this is the dude all this is based off!


2a50d727ae8a99c98d0a903bf3baae6f.jpg
 
IPBA said:
However you have the Anadolu Agency who have quoted an Israeli army spokesperson as clarifying that it had no confirmation of the claim.
Click to expand...

Indeed

www.aa.com.tr

Despite refutations from Israeli military, headlines that Hamas 'beheaded babies' persist

Claim initially made by Israeli news channel allegedly employing dozens of ex-military staff, with close ties with Netanyahu government - Anadolu Ajansı
www.aa.com.tr www.aa.com.tr

Broadly there appear to be four groups:

1. Support for Israel no matter what
2. Support for Hamas no matter what
3. Support for Palestinians
4. They've all got blood on their hands but. innocents will die.

Haven't seen anyone for 2.
 
Last edited:
The ground invasion is going to be tough. From what I gather, Hamas has spent the last few years building a large network of tunnels and the bombing of the last few days that levelled many buildings might not have had much impact on the tunnel system at all.

To destroy the network the IDF will need to map it, and to map it they'll need to explore it. No doubt there will be booby traps.

It will be hard going, I don't envy those going in there.
 
Raz said:
Indeed
Click to expand...
+1 another article analyzing misinformation source
https://theintercept.com/2023/10/11/israel-hamas-disinformation/

.......

If you listen even to Israeli ambassador travelling with cleverly just on newsnight - she says BBC acknowledged baby atrocity, which BBC representative then denies ..
she then goes on to suggest that UK although agreeing with right to their defence is sanctioning current reprisals with flags on downing street & in whitehall.

BBC iPlayer - Watch BBC Two live

Watch BBC Two live on BBC iPlayer.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

I think USA role in telling Israel what they need to do with respect to humanitarian corridor, before any Israeli onslaught, is being underestimated, usa has last word.
 
Dr Justin Dalby who has been working in Gaza for six months with the humanitarian charity Médecins Sans Frontières.

He tells the BBC there is "constant violence" and "destruction continues everywhere... day or night".

He says hospitals are overwhelmed: "Significantly more patients are coming in... the number of injured is just absolutely immense. There's huge numbers of patients - children, women, men - everywhere."

Medical teams are working under the sound of bombardment "which is often extremely close", he says.

Dalby says supplies are a "huge issue" as hospitals were already "chronically under-resourced" and access is urgently needed for medical supplies and personnel.

But he says the most urgent need is fuel. As we've been reporting, Gaza's only power plant shut down earlier today as fuel ran out - after Israel cut off electricity, fuel, food, goods and water supplies to the territory in response to the Hamas attack on Saturday that left 1,200 people dead in Israel.

Many of Gaza's hospitals rely on diesel to run their generators, and many "have only a few days left", Dalby says.
Click to expand...

BBC live feed
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top Bottom