Israel-Hamas war - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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We should do an old fashioned marriage to make allegiance. The leader of Hamas should marry Netanyahu in a Syna-mosque-agogue and they should combine Israel and Palestine into the Judaic Caliphate of Shalomistan.

Peace for all. Xxx
 
I remember picking up an SA80 at an air show, aiming at the back of a some old-guys head and furiously clicking the trigger. The nice sergeant told me that wasn't a good thing to do, and he took the gun off me, and I was banned. So the first and last time I handled a gun was when I was forty-two.

 
I remember picking up an SA80 at an air show, aiming at the back of a some old-guys head and furiously clicking the trigger. The nice sergeant told me that wasn't a good thing to do, and he took the gun off me, and I was banned. So the first and last time I handled a gun was when I was forty-two.
Yes that's why the best time to educate people on firearm safety is when they are young. I started when I was around 10 and safety was the number one lesson. Now 40 years later it is thoroughly ingrained, a useful tool and a real challenge to do well but like electricity treat it with due respect ;)
 
There is no god, and like hundreds of millions of others around the world I have no religion. Since millions manage just fine to be moral without religion, don't you think your argument is already refuted by reality? Morality has no basis in religion, and - in fact - it never really did. Religious explanations and justifications for moral values follow those values rather than preceding them. This is obvious when you look at how religious moral positions have changed over time. The mainstream view of British Christianity, for example, was that the Bible justified slavery yet almost no-one would endorse that view today.

You are living in a Christian built society. Religion isn't just about going to church and reading the Bible. It is a way of life. The morals of society today are based off Christianity.

By not having relogion you'd have an ideology. But unless most people bought into it wouldn't get off the ground.

From my own observations the less religion we have the more decadent society as become, to the point some don't recognise the decline.

I'm not saying religion has no problems. But as we've seen in predominantly atheist countries like China etc have killed millions more people than any religion country as done.

I don't mind admitting the religious systems aren't the perfect solution. But you seem to think atheism is despite the evidence.

In reality atheism would never naturally occur.
 
I remember picking up an SA80 at an air show, aiming at the back of a some old-guys head and furiously clicking the trigger. The nice sergeant told me that wasn't a good thing to do, and he took the gun off me, and I was banned. So the first and last time I handled a gun was when I was forty-two.
A bit OTT from him tbh, even if loaded and cocked there'd probably have been no danger if you hadn't carried out all the jam drills.
 
You are living in a Christian built society. Religion isn't just about going to church and reading the Bible. It is a way of life. The morals of society today are based off Christianity.

By not having relogion you'd have an ideology. But unless most people bought into it wouldn't get off the ground.

From my own observations the less religion we have the more decadent society as become, to the point some don't recognise the decline.

I'm not saying religion has no problems. But as we've seen in predominantly atheist countries like China etc have killed millions more people than any religion country as done.

I don't mind admitting the religious systems aren't the perfect solution. But you seem to think atheism is despite the evidence.

In reality atheism would never naturally occur.
Secular societies have the same issues as religious ones. Leaders who abuse their position and power. If we really want change the system needs to prevent those kinds of people from gaining power. The hard bit is how do you do that? Buck Rogers had the answer and put the AI in charge ;)
 
A bit OTT from him tbh, even if loaded and cocked there'd probably have been no danger if you hadn't carried out all the jam drills.
A basic rule of firearms use, never point it at anything you don't want to destroy. Then it doesn't matter if it's loaded or not and you can't forget or accidently shoot anyone ;) Every time I pick one up I always check it's clear and never point it at anyone even if I know and can see it is empty.
 
Casey's video also gets to the most critical point:

The guys video covers exactly the point I was trying to make with my main post a page or two above. This was not about religion or cause, it was simply fanatic hatred and should be seen for what it is.
Those people celebrating it on behalf of the Palestinian people are so misguided or downright stupid, it is infuriating. What happened cannot be supported, no matter what Israel's government's have done, no matter the reason, it was pure barbarity and hatred, and did nothing for the Palestinian people, other than ensuring the civilians who were not involved will suffer further.
 
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Secular societies have the same issues as religious ones. Leaders who abuse their position and power. If we really want change the system needs to prevent those kinds of people from gaining power. The hard bit is how do you do that? Buck Rogers had the answer and put the AI in charge ;)
I think @BowdonUK is correct overall.

I hate religion - I was brought up with it, grew 'out' of it, and studied but would never go into it again. My brother is a vicar, and we disagree in anything that direction, but we understand each other.

Without religion, you would still have people or institutions gaining power, and they would dictate the new 'morality'.

Morality is not from religion - it's from society... the tribe. However, most tribes ascribe power to some god or entity, which then dictates the rules, and becomes morality.
They are tightly intertwined. There will always be guidance from a powerful (or influential) few, as en-masse people are stupid and cannot agree, other than to follow a leader.
 
In 1974 the USA vetod the 2 state colution plan. The core point being Israel not being recognised as a nation state:

September 9, 1993Yitzhak RabinPrime Minister of Israel
Mr. Prime Minister,
The signing of the Declaration of Principles marks a new era in the history of the Middle East. In firm conviction thereof, I would like to confirm the following PLO commitments:
The PLO recognizes the right of the State of Israel to exist in peace and security.The PLO accepts United Nations Security Council Resolutions 242 and 338.The PLO commits itself to the Middle East peace process, and to a peaceful resolution of the conflict between the two sides and declares that all outstanding issues relating to permanent status will be resolved through negotiations.
The PLO considers that the signing of the Declaration of Principles constitutes a historic event, inaugurating a new epoch of peaceful coexistence, free from violence and all other acts which endanger peace and stability. Accordingly, the PLO renounces the use of terrorism and other acts of violence and will assume responsibility over all PLO elements and personnel in order to assure their compliance, prevent violations and discipline violators.
In view of the promise of a new era and the signing of the Declaration of Principles and based on Palestinian acceptance of Security Council Resolutions 242 and 338, the PLO affirms that those articles of the Palestinian Covenant which deny Israel's right to exist, and the provisions of the Covenant which are inconsistent with the commitments of this letter are now inoperative and no longer valid. Consequently, the PLO undertakes to submit to the Palestinian National Council for formal approval the necessary changes in regard to the Palestinian Covenant.
Sincerely,
Yasser ArafatChairmanThe Palestine Liberation Organization

this changed in 1993, but since then Israel havent wanted the 2 state solution ; as the recognised plan was pre 1967 borders and they have expanded their `living space or Lebensraum since then
 
I'm just dismayed at how much the rest of the world is backing Israel so much in this. Absolutely condone the actions of Hamas and seek to help, but allowing Israel to retaliate is just as bad.

I feel I can dig out my Malcom X book for quotes at many points in life but this one hits the nail on the head

If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing​


Hamas are obviously not someone to support but I think people need to remember that in both Israel and Palestine there are innocent citizens powerless to do anything.
 
Certainly reads like a very ballsy move. Who knows though, maybe Israel do this all the time & the Syrians are used to it/turn a blind eye.

So you would be fine if Heathrow was suddenly bombed from the air would you? As that is literally what happened at Damascus International Airport
 
Bombing a civilian airport, full of civilian aircraft is badass? Why is Israel wanting to make this a region wide conflict?
Stopping Iran from resupplying Hamas when they know people will denounce the action as "Bombing a civilan airport, full of civilian aircraft"...is badass.

They have one goal, and trying to win a popularity contest is not it.
 
Bombing a civilian airport, full of civilian aircraft is badass? Why is Israel wanting to make this a region wide conflict?


Well using a "civilian airport" to resupply terrorists is probably not a good idea if you want to keep your "civilian airport" in one piece..
 
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In 1974 the USA vetod the 2 state colution plan. The core point being Israel not being recognised as a nation state:



this changed in 1993, but since then Israel havent wanted the 2 state solution ; as the recognised plan was pre 1967 borders and they have expanded their `living space or Lebensraum since then

Be careful to distinguish between the ruling governments of the time, and the Israeli people. For all thier flaws, every Israeli I've spoken to on the ground has supported such a concept (2 state concept) and just want to be left alone to get on with thier own lives. I very much suspect the average Palestinian civilian feels the same. They don't care about the power games, or the oppression from whom is ruling either group of people/region.
 
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