Israel-Hamas war - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Ayahuasca said:
Both clearly aren't the same thing at all when you apply some context. You keep pretending otherwise though.

You must think about things in an entirely black and white way if you think they are exactly the same scenarios.
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OK bud. You just keep saying they aren't the same thing without explaining why. It is clear to me that they are both organized events.
 
SpellowHouse said:
There aren't that many innocent civilians in Gaza.

Cutting off their food and water is terrible, but let's be honest here, in a few weeks Israeli soldiers are going to shoot them, so does it really matter?

I feel sorry for the people who just want out, and I wish I could magically transport them, but no one wants them. Even if they could get out, where would they go? I mean, you would think that the very first thing the surrounding Arab states would do is offer them a home, like Poland did for the people of Ukraine, but all they offer is words and more violence.

And I can understand why Israel doesn't want a corridor, because I guarantee you most of the people to leave would be the Hamas.

No, I hate to say it, but I think Israel is doing what needs to be done. Like I said, I wish there was a way the innocent could be saved, but I don't think there is.



The difference is, wiping the Palestinians out is not the only Israeli plan, whereas wiping the Jews out is the only Hamas plan.
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There’s what 2 million people in Gaza isn’t there.
Don’t be thick and tell me they’re all Hamas because they are not.

Look how easily your borderlining a justification of genocide here.
 
lovelyhead said:
OK bud. You just keep saying they aren't the same thing without explaining why. It is clear to me that they are both organized events.
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Yes, because all organised events serve the same purpose don't they?

One is a para event in a town centre where a family has probably walked by and taken a picture of a child excited to see a big gun.

The other is an organised event specifically for children to attend and learn about and handle guns.
 
Israel attacks Damascus and Aleppo airports - Syria state media

State media in Syria says Israel has targeted airports in its capital Damascus and the city of Aleppo.

State news agency Sana reported that "bursts of missiles" had led to damage to the airports’ landing strips and had put them out of service.

Local media also say that Syrian air defences were launched in response to the attacks.

The UK-based war monitor the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (SOHR) reported several explosions in Aleppo.

The BBC has not been able to independently confirm the reported attacks.

The reported airstrikes come a day before the Iranian foreign minister was expected to visit Syria.

Both countries are avowed enemies of Israel, and Iran has long backed Hamas.

Israel frequently bombs targets in Syria linked to Iran and the Lebanese militant group Hezbollah, but rarely acknowledges the strikes.
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C Kent said:
Are we back to both sides are as bad as each other again? I see the hamas propaganda is in full swing with some posters
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Both sides are as bad as each other, in that they each want to exert their own ideals. They just differ in the method and the visibility.

Hamas want to wipe out the Jews. Israel wants to remove the Palestinians. Hamas are certainly more evil and should never be condoned. Israel is just more complex, but also do not have good intentions.

Israel is perhaps *at this current moment* the lesser evil. This may change.
 
BowdonUK said:
The morals of society today are based off Christianity.
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No, they're not. That's my point. Christianity, like other religions, tries to claim credit for stuff that it actually didn't create. There are few distinctively Christian morals, and they're largely ones that society has moved forward from. Again, compare contemporary morality to that of historical Christianity.

By not having relogion you'd have an ideology. But unless most people bought into it wouldn't get off the ground.
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Morality and ideology can also be related, but they're not necessary partners. The fact is that there are societies where non-religious is the norm and they still manage to be moral. Your claim has already been objectively disproven.

From my own observations the less religion we have the more decadent society as become, to the point some don't recognise the decline.
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From my own observations, the decline of religion has been associated with a great many moral improvements: attitudes towards unmarried people; attitudes towards equal rights for women and ethnic minorities; attitudes towards homosexuality; attitudes towards people who reject traditional relationship models; etc. etc.

I'm not saying religion has no problems. But as we've seen in predominantly atheist countries like China etc have killed millions more people than any religion country as done.
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This is a stupid argument. It's not atheism that was the ideology behind these acts; it was communisms decline into totalitarianism.

I don't mind admitting the religious systems aren't the perfect solution. But you seem to think atheism is despite the evidence.
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I have made absolutely no such claim; it is you who claimed that "if there weren't any religion then moral boundaries would be set individually". This is simply not the case; morality is created by social interaction not religion.

In reality atheism would never naturally occur.
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I have literally no idea what you're trying to say here. Atheism exists; therefore it occurred naturally? Or are you trying to say all atheists are created by the devil or something?
 
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Ayahuasca said:
The other is an organised event specifically for children to attend and learn about and handle guns.
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Wow, you can tell that from just looking at a photo. Impressive.

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Nobody better tell you about the cadets!


Not that I think what Hamas has done is anything other than evil, I am quite sure they could use the above video for propaganda purposes in the same way people here use the video of the Palastinian kids with guns do.
 
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Harlequin said:
Like Heathrow or Gatwick? Its only the western media declaring whats onboard - likely the Iranians are saying it was a red Cresent flight with medical supplies and food.
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What's your concern here? That they may have targeted an enemy airport due to incorrect intelligence or that your emotive use of the word 'civilian' means it should be out of bounds?

I would fully expect an enemy of the UK to attack our airports in a similar scenario, wouldn't you?
 
lovelyhead said:
Nobody better tell you about the cadets!
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Nice goalpost moving. Of course the cadets are much closer to what you originally claimed, as they are actually being trained/indoctrinated at that point.

A 3-4 year old being photographed with a gun on a high street for fun isn't.

It's really not that difficult to just admit that it's not exactly the same thing, instead of using completely different examples.
 
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