Israel-Hamas war - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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It's looking less like Israel is going in and more like they'll just at the border and drops bombs and artillery until Gaza is flattened or Hamas gives up, whichever comes first

They are in the process of working up the war cabinet apparently so probably nothing will happen in that respect until that is fully in place unless something else happens to expedite things.
 
It's looking less like Israel is going in and more like they'll just at the border and drops bombs and artillery until Gaza is flattened or Hamas gives up, whichever comes first
It will stop how it always stops when the casualties in Gaza get too high and the international pressure becomes too much for Israel.
 
Where's the Muslim solidarity?
About the same as a lot of "christian" solidarity tbh, national interest and different sects are as likely to fight each other as anyone else much of the time and they may only really work together when it's in their own interest.


From my very limited understanding the Palestinians have been utterly mucked about repeatedly by the neighbouring arab states who have tended not to want them moving into their countries, and have found them very handy as a way to cause Israel problems by encouraging them to attack etc.
 
the Palestinians have been utterly mucked about repeatedly by the neighbouring arab states who have tended not to want them moving into their countries,
That's because when they do they cause chaos. Just look at Black September, when the Palestinians decided to try and overthrow the legitimate government of Jordan that had taken them in and given them citizenship.
 
Hindsight is always 20/20.

It's like every major terrorist/war event ever has always had the players on a watch list or has had intelligence information been ignored. If powers acted on every Inkling of something we'd be living in police states and just as unhappy.
 
Possibly somewhat internal politics as well - I've not bothered keeping abreast of it but the top political entities in Israel are split between different lines of thought some having more idealistic leaning towards trying more peaceful approaches to Palestine, etc. and others more hardline which might have muddied the response with ideologies one way or another blinding them, or even letting it play out somewhat with the intention of "teaching" those more inclined to pacifism.
 
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Dunno what happened just now - whether some ordinance missed the target - big explosion in the sea just off Gaza.

EDIT: Heavy heavy bombing right now - OSINT speculations that ground forces will move on Gaza City around 1am local time Saturday.

Interestingly looks like Jordanian ISR are eyes the southern Syrian border, for what purposes who knows.
 
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Dunno what happened just now - whether some ordinance missed the target - big explosion in the sea just off Gaza.

EDIT: Heavy heavy bombing right now - OSINT speculations that ground forces will move on Gaza City around 1am local time Saturday.

Interestingly looks like Jordanian ISR are eyes the southern Syrian border, for what purposes who knows.


Few hours ago IDF dropped leaflets in Gaza city asking all civilians to move to Southern Gaza Strip, Israel has also notified the UN and told the UN it needs everyone to move South within 24 hours.

 
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no, but as the overwhelmingly superior military force they shouldn't use ordnance that is capable of dealing collective punishment style retribution when they have alterantives that do the same job without maming large swathes of the non combatant civllians, unelss of course you believe Palestine = Hamas and they should all be cleansed...............
Out of interest, can you list the weapons and the targets they could be used on, especially in built up areas.
 
Welp, they can't claim they were taken by surprise. Utterly incomprehensible, this is not what I'd expect from Israel.


Bibi knew perfectly well Hamas is up to a big attack, but he either stays in power or goes to jail. After 5 elections in 3 years and with the last government being a total failure, escalation of the conflict was his only hope to form a working government and win the next elections.
 
Al-Shifa Hospital is the largest medical facility in Gaza. If they lose power, we're going to see huge collateral loss of life.


Bibi knew perfectly well Hamas is up to a big attack, but he either stays in power or goes to jail. After 5 elections in 3 years and with the last government being a total failure, escalation of the conflict was his only hope to form a working government and win the next elections.

That backfired terribly, because he's lost public support.

An overwhelming majority – 86% of respondents, including 79% of coalition supporters, said the surprise attack from Gaza is a failure of the country’s leadership, while a staggering 92% said the war is causing anxiety.

Furthermore, almost all the respondents (94%) believe the government must bear some responsibility for the lack of security preparedness that led to the assault, with over 75% saying the government holds most of the responsibility.

The survey, which polled 620 Israeli Jews from across the country, also found that a majority of respondents believed Netanyahu should resign following the conclusion of Operation Swords of Iron.

A slim majority of 56% said Netanyahu must resign at the end of the war, with 28% of coalition voters agreeing with this view, and 52% of respondents also expect Defense Minister Yoav Gallant to resign.
 
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Here is the message IDF put on leaflets it dropped today in Gaza city

"The IDF calls for the evacuation of all civilians of Gaza City from their homes southwards for their own safety and protection and move to the area south of the Wadi Gaza, as shown on the map.

The Hamas terrorist organization is waging a war against the State of Israel and Gaza City is an area where military operations will take place. This evacuation is for your own safety.You will be able to return to Gaza City only when another announcement permitting it is made.

Hamas terrorists are hiding in Gaza City inside tunnels, underneath houses and inside buildings. Civilians of Gaza City, evacuate south now for your own safety and the safety of your families and distance yourself from Hamas terrorists who are using you as human shields.


In the following days, the IDF will continue to operate significantly in Gaza City and make extensive efforts to avoid harming civilians."
 
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Here is the message IDF put on leaflets it dropped today in Gaza city

"The IDF calls for the evacuation of all civilians of Gaza City from their homes southwards for their own safety and protection and move to the area south of the Wadi Gaza, as shown on the map.

The Hamas terrorist organization is waging a war against the State of Israel and Gaza City is an area where military operations will take place. This evacuation is for your own safety.You will be able to return to Gaza City only when another announcement permitting it is made.

Hamas terrorists are hiding in Gaza City inside tunnels, underneath houses and inside buildings. Civilians of Gaza City, evacuate south now for your own safety and the safety of your families and distance yourself from Hamas terrorists who are using you as human shields.


In the following days, the IDF will continue to operate significantly in Gaza City and make extensive efforts to avoid harming civilians."

This is a lot more nuanced than I'd expected. I thought Israel would ask them to leave Gaza entirely, but they're only asking for a relocation to the south of the territory.
 
IDF about to go in I think...

Israel's military has urged all civilians in Gaza City to leave their homes.

"This evacuation is for your own safety," the IDF said - in a strong hint that it's set to begin it's expected ground assault.

Hundreds of thousands of civilians are being told to move southwards below Wadi Gaza.

They will only be able to return to Gaza City when the IDF says it is safe to do so.

Here is the full statement...

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"The IDF calls for the evacuation of all civilians of Gaza City from their homes southwards for their own safety and protection and move to the area south of the Wadi Gaza, as shown on the map.

"The Hamas terrorist organization waged a war against the State of Israel and Gaza City is an area where military operations take place. This evacuation is for your own safety.

"You will be able to return to Gaza City only when another announcement permitting it is made. Do not approach the area of the security fence with the State of Israel.

"Hamas terrorists are hiding in Gaza City inside tunnels underneath houses and inside buildings populated with innocent Gazan civilians.

"Civilians of Gaza City, evacuate south for your own safety and the safety of your families and distance yourself from Hamas terrorists who are using you as human shields.

"In the following days, the IDF will continue to operate significantly in Gaza City and make extensive efforts to avoid harming civilians."
 
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