Israel-Hamas war - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Minusorange said:
And we have no reason to not believe him :(
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So basically the Russian strategy of war, you defeat your enemy by removing all his hiding places - aka use artillery and bombs to level the entire city.
This requires a doctrine which states, anyone left in said city is a active combatant, its what Russia does as well - anyone left in Ukrainian cities are considered combatants

And that's likely what Israel is going to do as well, they've setup 4 locations they want civilians to go to and anyone not there is considered a hamas fighter
 
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CaptainRAVE said:
Not surprising given todays news.
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But this is when it becomes indiscriminate. At what point does justification end? What if 10s of thousands of Palestinian babies end up dead, would that be OK?

I remember seeing a British soldier getting shot dead by a sniper. This was on the busy Falls Road area and I felt sickened by the fact another human being was murdered. But even more sickening was the fact that a lot of who I considered decent people cheered when it happened. I know some of them did it out of fear of reprisals from “activists” rather than genuine joy.

Humans can be despicable sometimes unfortunately.
 
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Israel should have more troops on the ground around the Gaza strip, as clearly they have been shown to be vulnerable to invasion, and they did not have enough people on the ground to defend themselves.

Air strikes on urban areas is just killing innocent Palestians. The majority of people in Palestine will be normal innocent people, not militants. Put yourself in their shoes. Israel cannot respond to an atrocity by committing another. If you are killing innocent people, it's an atrocity. You cannot bomb an urban area without killing innocent people.
 
All those idiots that were celebrating this over the past few days over here, should be invited, free of charge courtesy of the UK government, to a flight over to Gaza to allow them to support their cause.

I'm sure Hamas are always looking for new recruits.

Id be more than happy for my tax payers money to be spent on that.
 
Sankari said:
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No, but I do expect largely indiscriminate slaughter, and destruction of infrastructure on a vast scale.
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HOW ARE MILITARY NEEDS BALANCED AGAINST CIVILIAN?​

Even if some of the targets could be considered military objectives, that is not the end of the story, says Katharine Fortin, associate professor of international law at Utrecht University.

The military must consider whether the damage and loss incurred by civilians in such attacks are excessive compared to the concrete and direct military advantage, she said.

"In this instance, the incidental loss of life and injury to civilians that can be expected seems very large given that power outages are making it impossible for surgeons to carry on their work, affecting people's access to healthcare, and creating conditions in which vulnerable people are dying due to the cold or hunger," she told Reuters.
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just leaving this here. This was written by Katharine Fortin (https://www.uu.nl/staff/KMAFortin), associate professor of international law at Utrecht University in a paper about Russia's targetting of things like power, water and medical (hospitals) infrastructure. I'll stab a guess that everyone is outraged at Russia's blowing up of such infrastrcuture in Ukraine even though they claim (albiet a bull **** claim) it's a military objective, which you can in some cases justify targeting power grids and other civillian strcutures for military gain. I'll also bet on the same people saying it's completely legit for Israel to do this though regardless of the net loss to life at the end.
 
BUDFORCE said:
All those idiots that were celebrating this over the past few days over here, should be invited, free of charge courtesy of the UK government, to a flight over to Gaza to allow them to support their cause.

I'm sure Hamas are always looking for new recruits.

Id be more than happy for my tax payers money to be spent on that.
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Yes, the more likely scenario is that we'll soon be housing even more refugees from the region.
 
radderfire said:
You cannot respond to an atrocity in which innocent civilians were murdered by committing another atrocity that murders more innocent civilians.

It seems to me that it is quite a major security failure by Israel. They have not managed to protect their border with sufficient personnel on the ground. They have already started bombing Gaza, and this is already killing/wounding many innocent people. You cannot bomb urban areas without killing and wounding innocent people. Whether they are attempting to target militants or not is irrelevant, it cannot be done without collateral casualties. It is a totally ineffective response, and something of a knee jerk reaction from the military, who has dented pride though its defensive failures. It will only stoke the fires of further militancy. Israel would be better to focus on correcting its defensive failures than to start bombing, which will kill more innocent civilians, and will achieve nothing.
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Indeed, we need a two state solution as this is the only way I can see to achieve a just and lasting peace. Unfortunately it seems more distant than ever with the lack of effort and seriousness from the international community and the extremists in the ascendancy.
 
kakarott said:
Is there any proof of rape?
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I'll be amazed if there weren't rapes. Its the ultimate humiliation for the women and power trip for the men, they have raped the daughters and wife's of their enemy. There is also the religious aspect where the men will think the women will be unclean when they meet their maker.
 
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FoxEye said:
Different channels and you know it.
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And for this very reason. The normal routes were ultimately blockaded because Hamas couldn't control themselves and construction supplies (concrete/metals etc) were diverted to build tunnels of terror and food was given first to the Hamas armed wing and then leftovers distributed to the civilians. So, instead of smuggling in the basics (food/medicine etc) the continued to bring in items to supply their war machine
 
radderfire said:
Israel should have more troops on the ground around the Gaza strip, as clearly they have been shown to be vulnerable to invasion, and they did not have enough people on the ground to defend themselves.

Air strikes on urban areas is just killing innocent Palestians. The majority of people in Palestine will be normal innocent people, not militants. Put yourself in their shoes. Israel cannot respond to an atrocity by committing another. If you are killing innocent people, it's an atrocity. You cannot bomb an urban area without killing innocent people.
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The problem is when you simply decide everyone is a legitimate target. Then you get to say there are no civilians.

Clearly Hamas long surpassed this point. Now the Israelis and their supporters feel they are justified doing the same.
 
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In all of this you have to remember that that vast majority of people in Palestine are likely (haven't been there) to be pleasant normal people that would condemn the attacks against Israeli civilians. It is only a small minority of the population that will be extremists. The extremists do not represent the majority of people in Palestine, and the majority should not have to pay for the actions of an extremist minority that does not represent their views.
 
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