Israel-Hamas war - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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radderfire said:
Israel should have more troops on the ground around the Gaza strip, as clearly they have been shown to be vulnerable to invasion, and they did not have enough people on the ground to defend themselves.

Air strikes on urban areas is just killing innocent Palestians. The majority of people in Palestine will be normal innocent people, not militants. Put yourself in their shoes. Israel cannot respond to an atrocity by committing another. If you are killing innocent people, it's an atrocity. You cannot bomb an urban area without killing innocent people.
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They cannot allow Hamas to hide behind human shields. If Hamas uses human shields, talk to them.
 
radderfire said:
Israel should have more troops on the ground around the Gaza strip, as clearly they have been shown to be vulnerable to invasion, and they did not have enough people on the ground to defend themselves.
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Maybe I've played too many video games but I find it weird how in many instances people did things like trying to carry on with their day despite a bunch of armed men shooting at anything that moved, like they thought they wouldn't shoot at them... some people seem to fully believe the world works to some kind of rules and can't comprehend that they don't actually apply when someone isn't compelled to abide by them - for want of a better way of putting it.

Granted in some situations they could have been mistaken for Israeli security forces initially, in some cases even disguising themselves as such.
 
SpellowHouse said:
What helps the Israelis cover themselves here is that it is difficult to tell who is Hamas and who is not.
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You got that backwards. The fact this is the case should lead to a more measured approach being taken.

The fact that the statement coming out of Israel is about leaving no building standing, is enough to demonstrate the IDF plans no such restraint.
 
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Rroff said:
Maybe I've played too many video games but I find it weird how in many instances people did things like trying to carry on with their day despite a bunch of armed men shooting at anything that moved, like they thought they wouldn't shoot at them... some people seem to fully believe the world works to some kind of rules and can't comprehend that they don't actually apply when someone isn't compelled to abide by them - for want of a better way of putting it.

Granted in some situations they could have been mistaken for Israeli security forces initially, in some cases even disguising themselves as such.
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It's funny, really, when something terrible happens, the ones who survive are the ones who react quickly. The majority of people just continue doing what they were doing, or worse, freeze. It's almost as if their brain just overloads and goes in to auto-pilot.
 
radderfire said:
In all of this you have to remember that that vast majority of people in Palestine are likely (haven't been there) to be pleasant normal people that would condemn the attacks against Israeli civilians. It is only a small minority of the population that will be extremists. The extremists do not represent the majority of people in Palestine, and the majority should not have to pay for the actions of an extremist minority that does not represent their views.
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I tend to agree but I can't see how isreal can handle this any different now, Hamas won't negotiate they will just rinse and repeat after they call for a truce again.

More casualties now and fewer in the long term? Or fewer now and more in the long term?

Maybe.
 
Good old Twitter reading a link which then posted a video of a child/teen been beheaded with a small knife on the back of a pickup. Then their head held aloft as a trophy, does the human race learn nothing.

If we lived thier we would never get over any of it, on any side and until one side prevails peace can never happen.

Still cannot get how a population of millions suffer for the actions of a few, religion the ender of world's.
 
ICDP said:
You got that backwards. The fact this is the case should lead to a more measured approach being taken.
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Hamas' offer to exchange hostages for a cease fire would seem to indicate they had planned on Israel responding in a business-as-usual (ie "measured") manner.

Hama's plan to use human shields doesn't appear to be working this time. I bet they don't even understand why either.
 
Jono8 said:
I think this might be the end of the Gaza strip to be honest.
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Could be. I am not completely sure why they are saying it will be a long war either. Gaza is small, and the Israelis have a huge military advantage. It could take longer if other countries join in, but hopefully that won't happen.
 
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SpellowHouse said:
It's funny, really, when something terrible happens, the ones who survive are the ones who react quickly. The majority of people just continue doing what they were doing, or worse, freeze. It's almost as if their brain just overloads and goes in to auto-pilot.
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Many/most of us will freeze up in unexpected situations, etc. I'm not really sure I can explain it very well but I've seen increasingly since the stuff with Ukraine kicked off and with some of the footage from this incident of where people clearly have their own version of reality and/or so conditioned by the rules/logic of the environment they've grown up in they seemingly can't comprehend it when that falls apart or doesn't match up to actual reality.
 
Twinz said:
Hamas' offer to exchange hostages for a cease fire would seem to indicate they had planned on Israel responding in a business-as-usual (ie "measured") manner.

Hama's plan to use human shields doesn't appear to be working this time. I bet they don't even understand why either.
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Yes, and I don't think Israel is concerned about losing the hostages. Of course on the surface they are, but realistically, there is no hope for the hostages unless Hamas offer some sort of deal.
 
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Twinz said:
Hamas' offer to exchange hostages for a cease fire would seem to indicate they had planned on Israel responding in a business-as-usual (ie "measured") manner.

Hama's plan to use human shields doesn't appear to be working this time. I bet they don't even understand why either.
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Your problem is you want to go straight to Defcon 5 despite there being plenty of less extreme military options available. I was not a fan of the Iraq war but can at least acknowledge it was done in a way the minimised civilian casualties where possible. It still resulted in the complete capitulation of the Iraqi regime.

What Israeli officials are advocating is levelling the entirety of Gaza “no building left standing”.
 
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SpellowHouse said:
Yes, and I don't think Israel is concerned about losing the hostages. Of course on the surface they are, but realistically, there is no hope for them unless Hamas offer some sort of realistic deal.
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I think what Hamas don't understand, is that you don't really come across as a rational and trustworthy people to negotiate with when you behead babies.
 
Jono8 said:
I think this might be the end of the Gaza strip to be honest.
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it was already 2 ways ****** since 2006 and effectivbely under blockade, so IDF are literally just finishing off the job they started knowing that no one is going to say a dickie bird about it at the UN this time around. Providing they don't blow up another UN observation post they will largely be left to do what ever they like at this stage.
 
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