Soldato
Yeah, quite possibly. Bitches got crazy bloodlust.
Israel/Palestine Shenanigans
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Yeah, quite possibly. Bitches got crazy bloodlust.
Soldato
No it's a statement of fact.
No, **** up like this don't 'just happen'. This wasn't a case of of a weapons cache being attacked with civilians surrounding it, this was a Naval bombardment of a beach with children playing on it.
I used to be in the Royal Navy I've taken part in dozens of shoots of both Anti Aircraft and as a spotter for the 4.5's mounts, in fact if I'd stayed in I'd most likely have moved onto have been a 4.5 inch gun controller.
I can quite confidently state the ship would've been firing on the target with extremely up to date information and was probably within visual range of either the spotters on the upper deck or the 76mm's(most probable weapon used) sights. If they weren't absolutely sure of what they were shooting at then they shouldn't have fired. The fact they did should result in prosecution of the ship's captain, ops officer, P.W.O. & gun controller.
If they were absolutely sure on what they were firing on then they should all be up on murder charges.
It isn't one of those things, it's either disgusting incompetence, or worse, murder of 5 innocent children playing on a beach.
Let's put your analogy into the current outbreak of fighting:
Three Brits are killed in Ireland. Britain immediately sends in the military and arrests hundreds of Irish politicians and civil servants, killing several Irish civilians at the same time, claiming it was the Irish government that killed them. An Irishman is plucked off the streets of London and killed in a revenge attack.
Irish resolve breaks and they retaliate, firing the only long range weapons they have, unguided missiles, at the UK. The UK government then start firing guided missiles at buildings and homes, killing hundreds before sending in the troops, claiming they are only defending themselves. While the troops are being sent in it becomes apparent the UK knew the Irish government had nothing to do with the killing of the three Brits from the start.
Ceasefires are called and Ireland stop firing rockets, yet the British military keep blowing up Irish defensive installations. In response the Irish start firing rockets at Britain again.
Now obviously it's the Irish's fault in the above story right?
No one here is saying Hamas aren't throwing the occasional stone into the pond, however they aren't throwing rocks at the ducks like the Israelis...
Soldato
Lets also add that we've steadily been taking more and more land of the Irish for the last few decades, putting fences around their towns, bulldozing their homes and building homes for British people on top of them.
According to the BBC Hamas hadn't fired any rockets at Israel for 20 months before the Israeli army entered Gaza and rounded up 400 Hamas (and other) members. Even with the blockade Israel had put Gaza under.
Hamas had recently joined up with the second major political party in Gaza, Fatah, and created a unity government.
This idea Hamas has been attacking Israel for the last few years in *******. Israel broke the 2012 peace treaty, not Hamas.
Soldato
thats not a ceasefire then if Israel are still running military operations inside Gaza. Thus Israel's position is that there is no ceasefire.
Therefore Israel has not "stopped" the war if they are still running ops in Gaza whether they be shelling buildings or any other form of incursion.
Soldato
exactly and Israel did it because the full well knew that unity between Hamas an Fatah would result in a more united front for palestine giving the Palestinians a better position from which to ask for lifting of the illegal 7 year blockade and the removal of ilegal settlements in the westbank.
Israel could feel itself losing a grip on the situation so the best way to regain control was to lie about Hamas involvement in the kidnaps, and then smash Gaza up to reassert their oppression on the civilian populace in an attempt to further destabilize the area.
its no different to what putin is doing in Ukraine so why isn't the US and UK handing out sanctions on Netanyhu for his butchery ?
It's funny how appeasement always ends baldy. You know, give Nazi Germany what they want because they might have been treated unfairly in the past and hope they go away. Give Israel their own state, hope they go away. It never works, no one ever learns.
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http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/gaza-crisi...l-raid-which-killed-five-idf-soldiers-1458907
Imagine that was a school they had dug under.
Imagine that was a school they had dug under.
I suspect the money would object strongly if teabag bliar tried to put his mouth anywhere near it.
Soldato
Why?
Soldato
Interesting, I didn't know that, so thanks! Such a complicated engagement :S
Soldato
I don't have the evidence to back this up, but I am 99% sure I was watching a news broadcast from inside Israel when the Iron Dome alarms went off and a rocket exploded in the air within sight of the reporter/camera crew.That happened for sure. The 1% of doubt is if this was more than 20 months before the current nonsense - I don't believe it was as I only moved to my current place around 2 years ago and I was definitely here when I watched that report.
something seems really off about that video to me almost like it's staged
Your link also highlights Hamas did not fire any rockets into Israel, other groups did, but Israel states it blames Hamas for everything:
I just read that Huffington Post piece which seems to suggest there were a few rockets fired by non Hamas affiliated groups between 2012 and now. The BBC state that none were fired in that time, but maybe they meant Hamas fired ones. Either way the Huffington Post article also reported Hamas set up anti rocket patrols to stop other groups from firing rockets out of Gaza, with considerable success.
It certainly doesn't paint Hamas as the nasty evil terrorists many seem to think they are and it suggests Hamas were holding up their end of the bargain, even if some other very minor elements in Gaza were trying to stir up trouble.
The irish were never governed by the IRA, they were never representatives of Ireland and their actions were never condoned by the Irish government. There is no comparison.
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