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Wow, you would give the Iraqi minister of miscommunication a run for his money!
There are no tunnels! There was no kidnapping! What rockets? Hamas just want Israel wiped off the map because they love Jews so very much!
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Wow, you would give the Iraqi minister of miscommunication a run for his money!
There are no tunnels! There was no kidnapping! What rockets? Hamas just want Israel wiped off the map because they love Jews so very much!
Soldato
There is civil war in Syria/Iraq and perhaps soon Libya. The saudis are puppets of the US and helped topple the pro hamas government of Egypt which is now under military control and yes backed by the US.
Iran is too far away and is busy pouring money and men into Iraq/Syria.
There is not one government in the region that truly represents the people, if the Muslims were strong and united then this slaughter of gaza wouldn't even happen. Right now they are weak and divided, killing each other whilst there enemies pick them off to there choosing.
If a true revolt was ever needed it is in the middle east, inshallah one day it will happen.
- I didn't say that there were NO tunnels, I asked how come we don't hear regular tales of Israelis being kidnapped if these tunnels are such an enormous threat.
- What I actually suggested was that the guy may have been captured, he may have been killed, who knows? Perhaps he was killed by Israel's over-reaction? I believe that they actually have a policy now to prevent any Israeli soldier being taken alive (Hannibal mode).
- I didn't mention rockets.
- I suspect that many people, Hamas included, don't believe that either the UK or the UN had any right simply to hand over some foreign land to immigrants from around the world against the wishes of the people who happened to be living there.
- I didn't mention Jews.
Given that the Israelis didn't know they existed it is reasonable to assume the tunnels into Israel(at least one) have only recently been completed. Who knows how many are a work in progress. Hamas have most likely not felt they yet had the ideal opportunity to strike, a huge amount of work have clearly gone into them and the potential risk of discovery would mean disaster.
I would expect all the Hamas leaders chilling in Qatari hotels went apoplectic when they heard their tunnels were unearthed.
I would expect all the Hamas leaders chilling in Qatari hotels went apoplectic when they heard their tunnels were unearthed.
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Why would Israelis need to be kidnaped? There were more reports of them being randomly killed by militants who got over the boarder so maybe the Palestinians aren't all a bunch of peace loving pacifists who would rather kidnap than kill?
Foreign land? The Jewish people are a race, do you think they originated from Wales? Cornwall? No, it was actually a place called Judea which is where Israel is mostly situated today.
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Also it's interesting to see that the reporters in Gaza are having to be careful in what they say due to fears about Hamas.
https://twitter.com/gabrielebarbati
I would be very wary about getting any 'news' through social media. Some may be true but we see ISIS using social media. It is also becoming extensively used by Govts. for their propaganda. The US has been putting it's 'proof' about the Ukrainian situation mainly through social media.
I'm sure you will be able to produce independent evidence going back many years showing the HUGE number of Israelis who have been randomly killed as a direct result of the existence of these "tunnels" - or probably not.
I take it that you have some convincing evidence that the Palestinians originated from Wales or Cornwall?
It seems that your argument that Israel is in some way entitled to exist on stolen land and to welcome in peace loving foreigners from all over the world who have for generations specialised in terrorising and indiscriminately killing the indigenous people is based entirely on racist grounds - so be it.
Agreed, I had to go back twice to read both posts and still couldn't figure out what the relevance of his post was
I think you must have hit a nerve.
Soldato
Launching rockets from hospitals?
http://www.algemeiner.com/2014/08/0...d-here-from-the-gazan-side-into-israel-video/
Ah I see you like to take discussions to the absurd degree and put words in others mouths in the hope of confusing readers and ridiculing the poster, I guess you failed on both missions.
Lol very good and sadly true.
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So no, her story is about loads of innocent victims and she heard a rocket SOMEWHERE from the direction of behind the hospital... and she's upset it's being spun pro Israeli when it wasn't at all.
This is where Israel is winning, the media war... which helps when they pay people to do so, have vastly more resources, and huge portions of the media are owned/operated in the interest of USA bias.
You've posted several Algemeiner links recently. I've never heard of it before so looked it up.
From their about us page
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AS above, the journalist involved has denounced the attempt to spin this for pro Israel agenda.
More to the point, just suggesting Hamas was NEAR the hospital makes people think it's okay, that their argument of Hamas were there so attacking the hospital was justified. No, Hamas if they did fire from near the hospital were not inside the hospital, there were hundreds of innocent victims and doctors inside the hospital and Israel decides to attack the hospital because Hamas were potentially seen in the general area?
It's a city, Hamas could be seen at every location at some point. There is NEVER a justification for shelling/attacking a hospital, ever. If a Hamas member with two legs blown off somewhere else in the city is taken to the hospital.... does that make the hospital a genuine target, never.
Attacking/destroying hospitals is simply part of Israel's attempts to wipe out infrastructure and shows the complete lack of humanity on their side. It's a calculated destruction of the area, to deny the Palestinians everything they would need to survive so they all leave.
More to the point, just suggesting Hamas was NEAR the hospital makes people think it's okay, that their argument of Hamas were there so attacking the hospital was justified. No, Hamas if they did fire from near the hospital were not inside the hospital, there were hundreds of innocent victims and doctors inside the hospital and Israel decides to attack the hospital because Hamas were potentially seen in the general area?
It's a city, Hamas could be seen at every location at some point. There is NEVER a justification for shelling/attacking a hospital, ever. If a Hamas member with two legs blown off somewhere else in the city is taken to the hospital.... does that make the hospital a genuine target, never.
Attacking/destroying hospitals is simply part of Israel's attempts to wipe out infrastructure and shows the complete lack of humanity on their side. It's a calculated destruction of the area, to deny the Palestinians everything they would need to survive so they all leave.
The paper she works for is strongly pro Palestine, her editors no doubt forced her to release a statement to 'clarify' what she said.
It's the worst kept secret that Hamas use Al-Shifa as their base, using wards for torture and interrogation, and as sanctuary from Israeli shelling.
It's the worst kept secret that Hamas use Al-Shifa as their base, using wards for torture and interrogation, and as sanctuary from Israeli shelling.
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It's funny that with every civilian target there is an excuse for why Israel are right to kill them, regardless of the civilian death toll. It's always a poorly kept secret but really a Palestinian stronghold.... with no proof. Torture and interrogation. How many Israeli's have been kidnapped in the past 5 years? With all these underground tunnels.... seems crazy to torture and interrogate people above ground in a building where there are loads of witnesses.
Funny how the excuses never make the slightest bit of logical sense either. They have this massive underground network of bunkers, but they interrogate people in a busy building with hundreds of witnesses walking by.... a hospital in which undercover Israeli's can be walking around all day to witness it.... yet no proof still.
Funny that Palestinians are the only ones who would ignore secret underground, safe, military areas and use a public space to interrogate prisoners.
It could be that it's completely made up.
I do know when I'm a dictator somewhere... I'm going to pick a very public building in which to conduct all my secret business.
Also clarify what precisely she said the noise came from BEHIND the hospital, the post literally interpreted this as "launching rockets from hospitals" which she simply didn't say, at all, in any way.
Soldato
Source, or tales from my ass?
Source, or tales from my ass?
Is it just me or is it despicable pro Israelis attempt to justify attacks on civilians, hospitals and UN facilities? Surely you would seem more human if you just said "we made a mistake, were sorry"?
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israel are the masters of electronic warfare go look at cnn etc and keep an eye out for any new article , try to be refreshing the page the moment something gets posted about israel and then notice how a comment will appear and gain thousands of upvotes within seconds/minutes
they are totally manipulating opinions on news websites
anyway you are telling me if it was jews cornered in gaza they wouldn't be building tunnels and firing rockets? they would just all sit in their huge prison and live out their crappy lives ? or would they fight for freedom?
if you want to stop hamas hiding behind tunnels etc then give them an iron dome and tanks etc, how come gurilla warfare used to be a legit tactic ? but these days it makes you a terrorist anyway...~
if anything they are freedom fighters they would be classed as freedom fighters if it wasn't israel but someone else the west doesn't like
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It makes absolute sense.
Why are there Hamas rockets stored in UN schools if they can be stored underground. The same reason their militants are there, it was safer and more practical to be in a UN school or a hospital than it is to be in a tunnel. Easily accessible and theoretically at least immune from shelling.
They use tunnels to move from one place to another. They're not mole people they don't live underground.
The Hamas base is on the basement floor of al-shifa, out of plain sight. I bet there's a myriad of tunnels extending out of there
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