Israel/Palestine Shenanigans

[arknor]

Simple fact is there are two sides to every story,

yea and there's no hospital in that video? which is likely the other side of that story.

What's worse
launching rockets near a hospital
dropping bombs on a hospital?

2 wrongs don't make a right and tit for tat ain't going to solve anything as shown by the graph above

people should be pressuring israel to stop or there will never be peace as they clearly don't want it.

tunnels should be destroyed as part of a peaceful solution not part of a ceasefire.
america demanding they let the captured soldier go is laughable it's an occupation.... hamas didn't sneak across the border and grab him from inside israel he was where he shouldn't have been (not that he was captured anyway)

when ukraine captures pro russian seperatists why don't they get told to release them too? until everyone stops giving israel preferential treatment there will never be peace as they have no reason for it.

there PM loves war because it keeps him in power

 

[FoxEye]

near a hospital.

doesn't say how near could have been a few streets away and not all rocket attacks are hamas

hamas rockets hardly do anything anyway only a tiny percent actually kills anyone.

they are hardly the threat israel makes out


just an excuse to kill civilians

By the same token, Hamas should know how completely ineffective their current strategy is. How each attack of theirs causes a disproportionate and deadly response from Israel.

Simply put, if you know your actions will reap terrible consequences for yourself and your people, yet decide to proceed, then you aren't without fault.

I'm not saying Israel is in the right nor that they should be allowed to take as much land as they wish. We all know they are settling in areas they shouldn't be; that they are openly taking land that is not theirs to take.

But Hamas seem to only be hurting themselves and their people with their actions. Israel is laughing and at the same time can use this as justification for all out war.

 

[shine]

Simply put, if you know your actions will reap terrible consequences for yourself and your people, yet decide to proceed, then you aren't without fault.

Since the 2012 ceasefire Hamas had not fired a rocket until Israel started arresting possible terrorist (holding them without charge). Hamas have stated they are willing to recognise Israel as part of a permanent peace solution. Israel have refused to lift the blockade - what do they need to do?

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/26/us-palestinian-abbas-talks-idUSBREA3P08820140426

 

[Tefal]

Since the 2012 ceasefire Hamas had not fired a rocket until Israel started arresting possible terrorist (holding them without charge). Hamas have stated they are willing to recognise Israel as part of a permanent peace solution. Israel have refused to lift the blockade - what do they need to do?

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/26/us-palestinian-abbas-talks-idUSBREA3P08820140426

errr from your own article

Hamas on Saturday said it would not change its stance on Israel. "The recognition of Israel by the president of the Palestinian Authority, Mahmoud Abbas, is not new. What is important is that Hamas did not and will never recognize Israel," Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri told Reuters.

 

[shine]

errr from your own article

What the article does not mention is the context of his comments - Hamas will recognise Israel within the borders based on 1967. This article has those terms:

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3249568,00.html

Remember Israel's position is that it will never negotiate with Hamas as it does not recognise Israel but that is not the case. If both sides actually sit down to talk there is a basis for negotiation.

 

[Tefal]

What the article does not mention is the context of his comments - Hamas will recognise Israel within the borders based on 1967. This article has those terms:

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3249568,00.html

Remember Israel's position is that it will never negotiate with Hamas as it does not recognise Israel but that is not the case. If both sides actually sit down to talk there is a basis for negotiation.

im going to go out on a limb and assume the statement from 2014 supersedes the statement from 2006

What is important is that Hamas did not and will never recognize Israel

there really isn't much context you can add to that sentence.

 

[Mr Badger]

Just a little thought experiment:

All those sci fi stories where the brave human resistance fights against the overwhelming odds of the alien occupation, despite facing massive retribution. Why do they still fight and why is it considered heroic?

 

[Tefal]

Just a little thought experiment:

All those sci fi stories where the brave human resistance fights against the overwhelming odds of the alien occupation, despite facing massive retribution. Why do they still fight and why is it considered heroic?

in all those sci fi series how many of the humans sent strapped bombs to their children to blow up the aliens cafes?

 

[shine]

im going to go out on a limb and assume the statement from 2014 succeeds the statement from 2006

It does not, there is an interview with the current Hamas leader and Charlie Rose where he states that if a state of Palestine is created and the people agree the Israel will be recognised.

He did make it clear they would not recognise Israel while it was an occupying force.

 

[Sliver]

It does not, there is an interview with the current Hamas leader and Charlie Rose where he states that if a state of Palestine is created and the people agree the Israel will be recognised.

Link please, I'd like to see that. Meanwhile, Hamas does not recognise Israel's right to exist as they follow their Iranian funders who have declared that Israel should be wiped off the map.

 

[B&W]

The Israelis will pay for this, history often repeats itself. A leopard can't get rid of his spots no matter how hard it tries.

For those defending them you have no class or heart.

Can't be bothered to add more, nothing to be debated nor is anything unclear.


** Edited, play nice! **

 

[Tefal]

For those defending the dogs you have no class or heart.

I like dogs.

How can you hate him

 

[shine]

Link please, I'd like to see that. Meanwhile, Hamas does not recognise Israel's right to exist as they follow their Iranian funders who have declared that Israel should be wiped off the map.

I link to the video seems impossible to find ATM but here is the transcript:

http://www.businessweek.com/article...ed-meshaal-on-gaza-bloodshed-israels-blockade

Iran no longer supports Hamas as they disagreed on who to support in Egypt.

 

[Efour]

The Israelis will pay for this, history often repeats itself. A leopard can't get rid of his spots no matter how hard it tries.

For those defending them you have no class or heart.

Can't be bothered to add more, nothing to be debated nor is anything unclear.

a cliche proverb is worth 2 in the bush

 

[Mr Badger]

in all those sci fi series how many of the humans sent strapped bombs to their children to blow up the aliens cafes?

Interesting political (in the worse sense of the word) response that, dodging the issue and answering a question with a question. Evidently the propaganda train rolls on...

 

[Mr Badger]

I like dogs.


How can you hate him

I like dogs and that is a cute one. However, before I give judgement, please clarify how many hospitals and UN schools he has bombed recently?

 

[Sliver]

I link to the video seems impossible to find ATM but here is the transcript:

http://www.businessweek.com/article...ed-meshaal-on-gaza-bloodshed-israels-blockade

Interesting that he also says there is no trust between them which backs up the truth, that right now, Hamas do not recognise Israel's right to exist. Before both sides can come to a peace agreement, they must both recognise each others right to exist. This is something Israel has said publically and agrees with but Hamas refuses to accept, Hamas just keep saying that Israel must be eradicated.

Iran no longer supports Hamas as they disagreed on who to support in Egypt.

Absolute nonsense. Iran have been funding Hamas for decades . It's true that funding has dropped in recent years but the current conflict seems to suggest that Iran will be helping Hamas even more now. Here's an article from just four days ago:

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2014/07/30/u-s-israel-fear-pickup-in-iranian-support-of-hamas/

 

[setter]

Whilst i abhor what is happening to the ordinary palestinian citizens. I noticed a few posters on here advocating armed struggle. ie violent retribution. In ireland here, its a similair situation, but it has been going on much longer. Settlements of a foreign people, land grabbing, ethnic cleansing. A lot of irish republicans see the settlement of scottish protestants into ireland in the same vein as the israelis taking palestinian land.

 

[Tefal]

Interesting political (in the worse sense of the word) response that, dodging the issue and answering a question with a question. Evidently the propaganda train rolls on...

well its an important one. How often in alien invasion films do we see anything but an army?

it's an incomparable situation due to the fact it purely militarizes one side of the conflict.

Hunter Prey would be an interesting one to look at though.

I like dogs and that is a cute one. However, before I give judgement, please clarify how many hospitals and UN schools he has bombed recently?

could you tell me the % of the population of israel that has bombed a hospital?

 

[arknor]

Israel has declared a seven-hour humanitarian truce beginning on Monday morning in most of the Gaza Strip.

The Israeli military said it will hold fire from 10am (8am UK time) to 5pm (3pm UK time) to facilitate the entry of humanitarian aid and for displaced Palestinians to return to their homes - but would fight back if attacked.

The truce would not apply in areas of the southern Gazan town of Rafah where Israeli forces are involved in ongoing clashes, a Defence Ministry official said in a statement.

The announcement comes after the United Nations strongly criticised a third deadly missile strike on a UN school sheltering Palestinians, saying Israel was "repeatedly informed of the location of these sites".

yet another one sided cease fire israel can blame hamas for breaking