Soldato
No they'd just keep on stealing their land, keep the borders shut and keep them on a crefully planned diet that kept them just above malnutrition.
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No they'd just keep on stealing their land, keep the borders shut and keep them on a crefully planned diet that kept them just above malnutrition.
what is the point of living if another country
controls all your borders.
leaves you in what is essentially a prison.
removes your freedom.
Places your people on a calorie controlled diet......
They are prisoners in their own land it's evil like the nazi party did to the jews just rounding them all up into a small concentrated area
it's unforgivable
I love how you don't let facts get in the way…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...n_Israel,_2014 indicates 191 rockets and 16 mortar rounds fired primarily from Gaza the first six months of 2014. 52 rockets, 18 mortar rounds the year before.
err yeah that's a bit of a stretch. I really don't see Hamas actually bothering the Israeli military that much. 60 odd soldiers dead is literally nothing. If they wanted to do something, Hamas really couldn't stop them.
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No, the rockets are a reaction to illegal Israeli acts, not the other way around. These rockets were fired this time because Israel illegally entered Gaza, illegally made mass arrests, of whom many would have been injured, hurt, and many completely innocent.
Israel is almost exclusively the aggressor, and the rockets are in retaliation to some Israel is doing 99% of the time.
Palestinian civilians are dying IN BETWEEN these larger conflicts, just not from bombs from planes, but small scale ground forces, taking/bulldozing homes, taking Palestinian land, etc, etc. People are acting like Israel is completely peaceful and does nothing wrong in between these conflicts, and only ever reacts to rocket fire.
If there was no threat of retaliation at all, Israel would have taken much much more of Palestine by now. If there is no cost to your actions, if there is no penalty, you wouldn't stop.
Unfortunately Israel(purely because of the funding they've had over the years) is now at a point where the cost in civilian deaths of their own is almost non existent, which is why they are being so aggressive, they know the cost is minor.
Israel does things like barging into Gaza to make mass arrests, over something they admit now they lied about, KNOWING Hamas would respond with rocket fire and knowing their own civilians would die.
The difference is they know the cost is tiny to them after years of building and military technology has improved, years of strangling Gaza(and as a result Hamas) financially leaving their "military" almost crippled.
Israel made those mass arrests knowing their own civilians could die, they were the aggressors, they started this entire conflict, they LIED as an excuse to provoke Palestine and then they've gone ultra offensive because they know the losses on their side would be small.
He was an Israeli soldier...
I take it you agree that the 400+ Palestinians kidnapped by the Israeli forces last month (that in part precipitated this war) are also hostages of Israel? As far as I am aware they are not allowed contact with family of lawyers either. At worst the guy was a prisoner of war.
If Hamas started kidnapping civilians then that would be a different story.
On a different matter it looks like the PLO are planning on signing Palestine up to the ICC so they can request it looks into war crimes committed by the Israelis. They expect Hamas and the other main militant party to sign it in Egypt. It may be used as leverage against the Israelis at the negotiations but hopefully they go through with it. It appears Hamas will be are ok with he potential of some of their leaders going up in the dock as long as Israeli forces are also investigated.
That should mean the US can't veto any war crimes trials this time...
Yes, but what came first, the chicken of the egg?
It is all tit for tat and you have to go back a very long way to even begin to decide who started what. Was it the Balfour declaration? The 1948 invasion of Palestine and Israel by Egypt, Jordan and Syria? The Arab-Israeli war of 1957 etc.
So you agree that Israel targetting civilians also makes them terrorists?
There are shocking double standards here, most in this thread are well aware Hamas are not saints, yet there are several here who ascribe the Israelis as being able to do no wrong, then cry antisemitism at those that dare to say Israel (not Jews) are murdering civilians.
If Israel can take hundreds of people captive, stick them in prisons, not allow access to legal representation, family or even a court of law then Hamas should be allowed to do the same, especially if they are taking only serving military personnel.
Yet people also appear to believe Israel are only protecting themselves and would let Gaza live in peace and harmony if Hamas laid down its weapons.
As I mentioned before the current outbreak just shows that isn't true.
I love how you don't actually read links you post (or apparently the whole of the post you quote)...
Hamas have not fired any rockets or mortars since the ceasefire, until the latest Israeli incursion (and arrest/kidnap of hundreds of Hamas members, along with the killing of several Palestinians). Other militant groups have fired rockets and mortars, however the number was significantly reduced by anti rocket patrols set up by the government (in this case Hamas).
It causes real problems for their settlement programme though...
Soldato
personally i dont care how you label them....you can call them Hitlers nephews for all i care.
as for aiming at civilians...well only 3 of the 67 killed are civilians .i guess they are really bad shots then
ehh . im trying to paint Hamas as a little fella with rocks rather than some organiz.........
what ???
why cant they be all of the above...i think you lost yourself there.
I wonder if those claiming that Israel would completely destroy Gaza if there was no fighting back would also agree that if Hamas had the capabilities to kill thousands of Israeli civilians they would have also already done that?
Soldato
I agree with that statement, but they certainly do not have the capability.
Write 100 times...
"Israel is only defending itself from the monsters, it is innocent in all this"
Much like we were only defending ourselves in Afghanistan, except we didn't drop one tonne bombs on heavily populated areas, even if the enemy were firing rockets from that location.
And your point is?
Claiming you are better than someone else, even though you also killed someone is not going to get you off a prison sentence.
I'm hoping that will be tested again in the ICC shortly when/if Palestine do sign up.
Afghanistan were not firing rockets into UK civilian areas though so that was a completely different situation.
if israel could nuke gaza without anyone ever knowing would they?
we can all put forth hypothetical scenarios to try and prove some crazy point but the facts are facts and that's all that matters.
IRA were at times firing rocket launchers inside the uk and putting bombs all over.
theres still a huge wall dividing parts of ireland we didn't just bomb it to hell
Of course not. For a start they would destroy a lot of their own country with radiation
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