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Because the other seasons we werent knocked out of 2 other competitions by december?
And because on an average day out at the shops the team can probably weigh in at a combined £160 million? A team like that should be winning most games to be quite frank with you.
And because on an average day out at the shops the team can probably weigh in at a combined £160 million? A team like that should be winning most games to be quite frank with you.
But this is just it - without Vidic for the season, and with Rio's injuries in the last few seasons, Utd only have Evans who is used to playing in a centre half position.....
Jones is a great player but where his positioning isnt so crucial in centre mid, or at rb, its absolutely crucual at centre half and this could be an issue made more difficult by probably alternating partners (if he were to move back there).
Smalling is doing well at RB until Rafael is available (and fabio). surely Left back is more important given how sluggish Evra has been this season (and a bit last season).
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Obviously that's a fact, but I really don't understand how that has happened, we've look dire, yet for some reason' the results are there, despite after every match since the initial 5, we've looked woeful.
I suppose that's some brilliant managerial skills, but imagine if we had a proper squad, not riddled with has-beens, wannabes and cripples.
The squad hasn't had enough turn over in the right positions at the right time, we've left scholes replacement way too late, everybody could see that coming 2 seasons ago. Inconsistent Wingers, Squad players who are being picked as 1st 11 players (Park Ji Sung, Ryan Giggs, Michael Carrick).
Any team in the top 5 has better midfield option's than man utd.
Arsenal - Wilshire, Ramsey, Frimpong, Arteta, Song, Coquelin
Tottenham - Parker, Modric, Van Der Vaart, Sandro, Huddlestone
City - Silva, YaYa Toure, De Jong, Barry, Milner, Nasri
Chelsea - Ramires, Lampard, Meireles, Romeu, Essien, Mikel, Mata.
Honestly, the worst player's in their for me are Barry, Milner and Mikel and i'd still take them over Michael Carrick, Ji Sung Park and Ryan Giggs (He's well over the hill)
I just don't see why we can't invest in top class midfield talent, where every other team is.
Really don't know where to start with that tosh, suffice to say and to summerise I'll just leave you with one of these -
I know we need replacement players. Never doubted that for a second.
We were knocked out of the champions league a short while ago and still had more points. So what on earth are you on about The_Running_Man? Do you even support MUFC?
Fergie is terrible and yet we still manage to win most games (even with our woeful team).
We were knocked out of the champions league a short while ago and still had more points. So what on earth are you on about The_Running_Man? Do you even support MUFC?
Fergie is terrible and yet we still manage to win most games (even with our woeful team).
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Really don't know where to start with that tosh, suffice to say and to summerise I'll just leave you with one of these -
Then you're in denial if you don't think they are all better players, look at Barry and Milner, certainly doing better than our gash in the centre.
I'm not a blind Man Utd supporter, I'm not going to sit here and say we are class because we've won 19 titles, that would be tosh, class isn't permenant like some would like to believe, you have to reinvest in your squad, and we've invested in a lacklustre midfield in recent season's, Carrick started well his first 2 year's and the past 2 has been utter dog****. Ji sung park is a good player to bring in 25 minute's from the end when you want to batton down the hatches or have in a centre of 5 to cause a bit of harassment, he is about as creative as a poodle on crack, and only look's good when against a woeful defense. ryan Giggs, yes, illustrious career, amazing footballer for the last 19 years, but this year he is appauling, he gives the ball away at least 50% of the time with ridiculous passes.
Some people are just blind and refuse to criticize.
I expect better of one of the biggest clubs in the world, Real Madrid and Barca and plenty of other premier league clubs have invested in far better midfield talent in recent seasons. We've had Anderson who gets bullied in the Club Christmas Panto for being overweight and a Geordie fish out of water in Michael Carrick who would be the greatest footballer on the planet if the aim of the game was to give the ball back to your defenders.
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It seems a real shame; I don't really follow things religiously but he looked like one of the best players in the PL at Liverpool.Great video of Torres, there are few forwards (if any) better than him on his day.
If he had his 'day' often, £50m would have been a snip. It's painful to watch him at Chelsea at the moment.
So let me get this right you honestly think that likes of Frimpong, Coquelin, Arteta, Huddlestone, Sandro, Barry and Mikel are better than any of Man Utd's midfielders?
Also some of the players you've chosen to list don't even play in midfield see VDV and Mata
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VDV is listed as a midfielder, and he is a midfielder, like an attacking one, but nonetheless in the centre, and playing the role of Park/Giggs off the striker/s
and yes, i'd rate most of them above our current first team centre midfielders. Frimpong is looking a real talent, he started rough and tumble, but he's looked very good ever since. Sandro definitely in terms of Defensive midfielder, Arteta in terms of creativity.
Right now we are playing 3 centre mid-fielders who can neither defend or attack at the level required to make it out of the champion's league group stages against relatively small opposition, fact.
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I'd take Barry, Sandro and Arteta ahead of Carrick, Anderson, Fletcher and Cleverly.
Well then I refer back to my initial retort that you're talking absolute tosh.
Oh and if qualifying out of the champions league group stage is the borameter of how good a midfield (which it obviously isn't) is then City's must be almost as bad.
Really don't know where to start with that tosh, suffice to say and to summerise I'll just leave you with one of these -
Can you point out which bits you don't agree with?
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And i was waiting for that tom, thank you
proof you talk utter crap all week long, you just compared:Group A: Bayern, Napoli, Manchester City and Villareal
to
Group C: Benfica, Basel, Man Utd and Galati
A group in which City probably should have qualified from despite it being their first ever Champions League campaign.
And I talk tosh...
Except I didn't
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The barometer for our team is the league and the champion's league (more so in my opinion if you want to be recognised as World Class)
But it's okay Tom you win, I'm not going to waste my time with somebody who provided no defensive argument other than to pull faces.
You settle for second best, I don't sit on historical prestige, it mean's very little when you're getting shafted by 11 nobody's from Switzland.
But it's okay Tom you win, I'm not going to waste my time with somebody who provided no defensive argument other than to pull faces.
You settle for second best, I don't sit on historical prestige, it mean's very little when you're getting shafted by 11 nobody's from Switzland.
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"Nobody's from Switzland" might be slightly harsh but they're not a side that should be knocking Utd out of the CL.
Why respond to his comment about failing to qualify from an easy group by mentioning City also not qualifying then?
If it wasn't meant as a comparison then it's a completely irrelevant point.
I would have thought my argument was obvious tbh, whilst some of the players you listed are indeed on paper better than ours a large majority of them are not (most specifically the ones I listed)
Picking on Frimpong (as I too think he's got the potential to be a very very good player) right now it's absurd to say he's actually a better player than someone like Giggs or Carrick. And as for players with just potential (which would be the likes of Frimpong, Coquelin, Romeu etc) our own Cleverley is easily up there with all of them
Did you actually read what I said? I clearly stated I disagreed with the principle that a midfield be judged on the ability to get out of a UCL group. City's failure to qualify from their group wasn't because of their midfield was it
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