** January Transfer Window 2011/12 Season Rumours/Signings **

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dante6491 said:
Obligatory post defeat post:

Out:
Almunia, Fabianski, Diaby, Walcott, Squillaci, Gervinho, Gibbs, Chamakh, Mannone, Denilson, Vela, Arshavin, Bendtner, Rosicky

That gutting, burning of deadwood, would leave Arsenal extremely light on the books. We might get £50m for the lot of them and save at a guestimate £650k a week in wages. Hell I don't think anyone would disagree with me in saying that they all pretty much deserve to go. Thus a few players would be needed. A decent goalkeeper to challenge Wojciech (akin to the way Lindegaard is keeping de Gea out). A solid defensive left back. Jan Vertonghen. Eden Hazard for the left and an out and out striker.

That would be 15 absolutely mediocre players going and 5 or 6 players coming in. Even if they were all £100k/week we would save £5m a year estimate. It would free up squad space for Miquel and Yennaris and hell, Ryo Miyaichi might finally get a game.
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Vela and Bendtner shouldn't go, the rest yes. Bendtner hasn't been scoring massively at Sunderland but, its also sunderland, his hold up and build up play while a lone striker has been really very good. He'll also score more in a better team, more importantly he is good in the air, against great freekick teams he'd be important to have in the team like against Stoke, defensive set pieces, offensive ones and being able to push about their defenders.

The rest are cack, but they've been cack for years, Vela and Bendtner will eventually leave for next to nothing if Wenger stays because he will not play them.

He has favourites, it does not matter how good a player is if Wenger doesn't "like" them.

Ox starting his first game of the season and no one even mentions the fact that........ being FAR better than Gervinho and Walcott, without breaking a sweat, yet if Gervinho hadn't gone to the ACN he'd have started over Ox today. I've said for 5 years now.

The reason Diaby isn't gone is Wenger thinks he is THAT good, the reason Denilson had to BEG TO LEAVE and not be shown the door is Wenger thinks he is good enough, rinse repeat for all the first team members that should barely play in this league let alone Arsenal.

Wenger will not sell Walcott by choice....... hence Wenger need's to go.

We might sell Walcott if some idiot club randomly decides Walcott is good and puts in an offer Wenger is not allowed to refuse, but seriously, if you had a quality player who you start first team whenever fit, would you sell that player? That is the problem, Wenger see's Walcott as that good, so why would he get rid of him?


Vela, he's had no solid football for years, confidence gone and treated like crap, when he joined, in form he was again 10 times the player Walcott was, he WAS a great player who we just refused to play.
 
You forgot Van Persie in the 'out's'. No way we can hang onto such a good player if we end up outside the top 4 (or top 6, in all likelihood). That'll cover the first year of being out of the CL too, board will do it for the £££.
 
dante6491 said:
Obligatory post defeat post:

Out:
Almunia, Fabianski, Diaby, Walcott, Squillaci, Gervinho, Gibbs, Chamakh, Mannone, Denilson, Vela, Arshavin, Bendtner, Rosicky

That gutting, burning of deadwood, would leave Arsenal extremely light on the books. We might get £50m for the lot of them and save at a guestimate £650k a week in wages. Hell I don't think anyone would disagree with me in saying that they all pretty much deserve to go. Thus a few players would be needed. A decent goalkeeper to challenge Wojciech (akin to the way Lindegaard is keeping de Gea out). A solid defensive left back. Jan Vertonghen. Eden Hazard for the left and an out and out striker.

That would be 15 absolutely mediocre players going and 5 or 6 players coming in. Even if they were all £100k/week we would save £5m a year estimate. It would free up squad space for Miquel and Yennaris and hell, Ryo Miyaichi might finally get a game.
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Problem with getting rid of all those players..is who the hell would buy them??:p...theres a reason why they are all at Arsenal because Wenger likes to sign a lot of donkeys and all those players are donkeys in all honesty:p.

I mean Diaby?? how many games has he played this season...is that **** ever going to be fit to play again?? even if he is, hes still crap and i kinda agree with DM about Wenger having his favourite players and playing them when they shouldnt even be in the squad.

Fact is RVP will go by summer time, i dont blame him tbh...Wenger has been doing this over the past few yrs...selling our best players and making us slowly weaker and weaker yr by yr...he knew Fab was wanting out but he didnt do FA all about it, same with Nasri too...unbelievable stupidity by him...i mean Arteta is a handy player but hes hardly a Fab replacement.

Meh i cant even be bothered anymore...i mean i havent got an issue losing to Utd as they have a better squad than us but losing to Fulham and Swansea is bloody infuriating to say the least...6pts dropped from 9pts is diabolical. A top 4 finish for us is going to be very difficult this season..
 
Diaby has never got over the tackle that broke his leg. I think a change of scenery is a few years too late really, it would have been better for him. The thing is, managers have gotten better performances consistently out of worse players, so regardless of any trouble behind the scenes (Henry jumped the boat as soon as he saw it starting to sink)... there's no excuse for the defence being as poor as it is, the lack of goals from anyone but RVP, or the lack of changing things up when it's not working (or as we saw today, changing things up when they are working). Worse teams have created goals, defended more stoutly, played with more belief.
 
Diaby was cack before then and cack since then, he's been cack since we got him, as have Denilson, Song, Theo, Djourou, Squillaci and from all I've seen so far, Gervinho, Benny, Santos, Mertesacker.

I mean, damning thing is that Benny has done fine in this league for several years.... we both won't give him games, he can't get match fit and whatever tactics Wenger is using or training, I never thought Benny was world class, he was decent enough and he looks less than half the player at Arsenal...... why is he looking so much worse. Why does Arteta look barely a creative force when he was at Everton, why can't any defenders we buy get past simple mistakes.

I don't care if we finish top 4, its irrelevant to me, so is winning the league. People have harped on for YEARS about, but we play good entertaining football...... we play entertaining slapstick football now, we don't play "good" football. Jonny was going on about get rid of Wenger if we miss top 4. Its daft, fact is a manager is good enough, or not, league position in the end comes down to a lot of luck. I wouldn't fire a manager doing all the right things who just got unlucky, I would fire a manager who came second out of pure fluke while the team disintegrated, Wenger HAS to go, we will not fix the team with him there as he is completely at fault for every poor signing and every crap player he has failed to get rid of.

Every manager, with NO exception buys bad players, Ibra was deemed not good enough, he was shipped out in a year for a huge loss. Having the balls to accept a mistake and the balls to fix it is important, far better than plunging what is 10's of millions into crap players with more new contracts. Theo should have been sold off after 2 years, as should MANY of our other players.

We could finish top 4 this year, that is not down to Wenger or the players..... its down to how utterly awful the league has become.

Not one of these teams would have come within 15 points of Utd/Arsenal or the Chelsea that won their first titles of 7-8 years ago. Those teams, that unbeaten team would have absolutely torn this league to pieces, in Real/Barca way of winning all but a handful of games, most of which would be drawn. Coming 4th in a league that is hugely hugely inferior to the top teams of half a decade ago isn't a good thing.
 
We look to be making a move for Alessio Cerci.

https://twitter.com/#!/GregOK/status/161200531052830721

Cerci a winger from Fiorentina. Pace and creativity down the flanks is on Moyes' wish-list. Could only happen if Blues sold. #EFC
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http://www.footballgossip.org.uk/in...r-news-toffees-linked-with-fiorentina-winger/

Everton are being linked with interest in Fiorentina winger Alessio Cerci.

Reports from Italy this evening suggest that the Toffees are looking for a loan deal with an option to buy at the end of the season.

According to Tuttocalciomercato, Everton have already agreed personal terms with the 24-year-old; now they just have to convince the Viola to agree to his transfer. Cerci is said to be keen on moving to England; however, La Gazetta dello Sport reports that the former Italy Under-21 international is also a target for Serie A side Genoa and that his exclusion from the club’s squad for today’s game with Cagliari was a precursor to a move.

Whether it is to Everton or Cagliari should be decided this week.
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http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/7449259/Viola-to-let-Cerci-go


Fiorentina coach Delio Rossi has confirmed that he is ready to let Alessio Cerci leave the club.

The highly-rated winger has seen himself drop out of favour under new boss Rossi, due to a change in system.

Cerci has not started for the Viola in over a month and speculation has suggested that Palermo and Premier League side Everton are keen.

"Cerci is a wide attacker with certain characteristics, so he has been penalised by our change to a 3-5-2 system," said Rossi.

"If he gets the chance, it's best he go express himself elsewhere, otherwise he'll have to stay in Florence and try to adapt."

Cerci, who has also had a falling out with the club's fans, was wanted by Roberto Mancini at Manchester City last year.

Whilst Rossi would not stand in Cerci's way - he insisted that the club should keep hold of former West Ham star Valon Behrami, who has been linked with Juventus.

He said: "I think the club needs to take steps in order to improve the squad and not sell one of the most positive players. We need those who fit the project that I am trying to build with the club."
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Haha :D I have a sneaky feeling Bily will go, Drenthe will sign a contract and we'll get Cerci on loan with an option to buy.
 
Some say pointless, some say good business, in on a free and out for £2.5m

I think it was a mistake, but then again apparently him and Moyes didn't get on well at all.
 
CasKirensys said:
How is drenthe? Always thought he'd do well in the premiership.
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Exactly what we need but a little bit too enthusiastic at times, and runs out of fuel quickly. 5 assists this season so far though, so he obviously creates chances.
 
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Azza said:
Some say pointless, some say good business, in on a free and out for £2.5m

I think it was a mistake, but then again apparently him and Moyes didn't get on well at all.
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Considering a likely signing bonus, which would almost certainly have been bigger than normal due to being a free transfer, agent fee's and wages...... 2.5mil is nothing, he's a FAR better striker than 2.5mil suggests and he actually scored quite well when actually given games.

Moyes strikes again with bringing someone in and not giving them games, Moyes seems to be doing a Wenger, has his preferred players and wastes most of the people he brings in. Had he played him a lot more I would think he would likely have scored enough goals to both have Everton playing better, and so that you wouldn't have sold him....... and had a fit striker this year.

Its even more mental selling him as without a fit striker to Everton's name, its crazy to sell one that was fit.


CasKirensys said:
How is drenthe? Always thought he'd do well in the premiership.
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Feels like same old Moyes to me, he looks a cut above most of the rest when I've seen him play..... just not seeing him play much.

I'm 95% sure you could play Drenthe as a defender or winger on either side..... surely he's a better option than Hibbert, and most of your wingers?
 
drunkenmaster said:
Considering a likely signing bonus, which would almost certainly have been bigger than normal due to being a free transfer, agent fee's and wages...... 2.5mil is nothing, he's a FAR better striker than 2.5mil suggests and he actually scored quite well when actually given games.

Moyes strikes again with bringing someone in and not giving them games, Moyes seems to be doing a Wenger, has his preferred players and wastes most of the people he brings in. Had he played him a lot more I would think he would likely have scored enough goals to both have Everton playing better, and so that you wouldn't have sold him....... and had a fit striker this year.

Its even more mental selling him as without a fit striker to Everton's name, its crazy to sell one that was fit.




Feels like same old Moyes to me, he looks a cut above most of the rest when I've seen him play..... just not seeing him play much.

I'm 95% sure you could play Drenthe as a defender or winger on either side..... surely he's a better option than Hibbert, and most of your wingers?
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Moyes is just plain weird. I think Becks had a hissy fit for being subbed and completely ignored him as he walked off and that was it. But he continues to play Saha, some one who is just woeful, he even dropped him to the reserves, Saha let out a mouth full on Twitter about it... 2 games later, he's back in the first team and hasn't been left out since. :confused: But no doubt about it if he was given a good run of games he'd have been banging them in with some decent service, the games he did play Moyes just didn't think he was putting in enough effort.


Drenthe doesn't conform to Moyes negative hoof ball tactics though, we've been crying out for a pacey winger for years, some one who will attack defenders and create chances. He wants to prove himself, be it for us to sign him or some one else in the summer, so he's going to give it all every match. He was ill over the new year for a couple of weeks, and I don't think he's 100% match fit as it were. And Moyes doesn't like his lack of tracking back, he even said he needs to work on his defensive side. Hibbert has actually been our best defender this season, won player of the month for December I think! :D

There's a lot of anger against Moyes at the moment, playing Anichebe on the wing against Blackburn took the **** big time. We've got Bily on the bench, Drenthe, Gueye, the latter two young hungry wingers and he sticks that tool out wide. So it'll be his own fault if Drenthe doesn't sign a contract.

Technically we've only got 1 right winger and that's Coleman, but he's injured and out for an unknown period of time thanks for Moyes bringing him back too early. When Landon goes we'll have him and Drenthe that can play on the right, and I guess Osman as well, but before getting injured he was playing great as the man off the striker that Cahill has been woeful at for ~1 year.

We lack numbers in so many positions it's unreal, we have a few youth players that can fill in, but Moyes only plays his favourites and will only resort to that when players are injured. If nothing happens over the summer it's a real possibility that we could go down next season, and by that I mean selling one of Jags, Rodwell, Baines or Fellaini, or more than 1 for mega bucks and brining in several replacements, but given the Arteta money **** I doubt that Moyes would see any of the money.
 
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I really don't know whats going on in the league, so many players at SO many clubs who shouldn't be in the league let alone starting games and almost every one of those clubs has simply better players on the bench.

I've said before, I think a lot is managers at a club too long, too involved in certain players. Say Wenger staked a lot of money on Theo asked the board as a favour to sign him, spent countless hours advising him how to improve and can't bring himself to give up on him....... well that or Wenger actually thinks he's good enough.

Thing is and I still rate Lucas(pool) as one of those, when a certain player is crap for long enough, fans, manager and players seem to forget just how god damned good the previous guy was, then that guy improves a half a percent and fans are suddenly fawning all over the same player they hated a year before.

Arsenal, hate Denilson, then love denilson hate Song, then Love song/hate denilson/love diaby, love song, hate Diaby, etc, etc.

Gilberto was a god, he was still an epic DM in the last world cup. Denilson replaced him and for a bit people liked him then Song came along was MARGINALLY better, everyone suddenly called Denilson crap and Song brilliant(because in comparison to Denilson he might be) but ultimately Song is utter crap, he's poor at every part of his game and mostly he's awful defensively........ but people love him and rate him as a great DM.

Its absurd, but SO many people rate him including non fans, and Wenger does, the same way Wenger rates Walcott. Some arsenal fans hate him, others chant his name every game and love seeing him play for England.. Capello picks him ffs, this is a guy who is horrible at football.

I'm starting to simply be unable to comprehend where football has gone in the past 5 years.

Everton played great football for a few years, they are pretty painful to watch now but I bet you Moyes thinks its the same football. Same for Wenger, and Fergie, etc, etc.

THe league for me needs all the long term managers to move on to new clubs or retire, fresh faces, idea's and a clear out of the crap in this league.
 
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