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Moyes doesn't understand striker at all. If he could I'm sure he would just play 6 in midfield and 4 defenders. If he could he would just send Phil Neville to Kamino and get them to clone 10 more of him. That way he could bang on about versatility despite being a cart horse.
We ruin strikers as moyes cannot ever get the best out of them. Or we isolate them or play them alone. We ruined Beattie, took any promise would could out of his career and just kept banging balls at him with no support. Same with AJ, I used to feel sorry for all 5ft 2 of him chasing all over the park for scraps.
Moyes does a good job keeping us in the top flight with our resources but he would do a lot better if he could actually link our midfield with our front men and not rely on cahill so much.
I cant imagine Liverpool will finish 7th not unless Newcastle go on an unbelievable run after Ba comes back. 6th place and a first trophy since 2006 would be a good season for Liverpool imo
Doubt that's what NESV had in mind after throwing £100 mill+ at the team really, anything less than a CL spot has to be seen as a failure, especially given the League in general is poor and has been for the past few seasons.
Cant see them spending big again regardless, can the current managment regime be trusted to spend it wisely on the attacking positions?
I thought it was £4m Leicester paid?
NESV (they're FSG now) haven't thrown anything at the club. The vast majority of what was spent has been recouped, while at the same time we've made relatively large cuts to our wage bill. Within 2 seasons, whatever we did spend would have been saved on wages.
Whilst I agree that the quality of the league is pretty poor at the moment for Liverpool to finish above at least 2 of the established top 5 was always going to be a tough ask even if Dalglish had spent the money given to him well. As it is though the players he did bring in were never going to be good enough to guarantee a top 4 finish but then I dont think that's what the intention of buying the likes of Adam and Downing was, the intention imo was to add some depth to the squad and to push on this summer.
If the MO was for guaranteed Champions League football following the investment made last January/summer and Liverpool fall short of that one would suspect Dalglish may find himself under pressure this summer?
EDIT: Or if what Baz is saying is true then maybe he wont
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With so little investment, how many delays to the stadium will it take before your lot want FSG out too then?
Throwing £100m at Liverpool was never going to turn them back into title contenders, the rot has set in far too deep, and you'd need far more significant invenstement across the whole team, from top to bottom.
Suarez aside - although he's not prolific enough for all his good play - Dalglish has squandered the funds he has had on 2nd tier players, none of whom would get a game at Man City, Man Utd, and dare I say Chelsea or Spurs....(Downing, Henderson, Carroll.....) In light of this, a top 6 place would be an achievement.
Suarez aside - although he's not prolific enough for all his good play - Dalglish has squandered the funds he has had on 2nd tier players, none of whom would get a game at Man City, Man Utd, and dare I say Chelsea or Spurs....(Downing, Henderson, Carroll.....) In light of this, a top 6 place would be an achievement.
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Why does everyone call out Henderson as being some sort of massive failure?
He's already looking better then Lucas did when he first joined us and look what became of him!
Ill give you Downing though
If you add some great players on top of the ones you've already bought then you'll have a great side but the problem is you've paid world class money for squad players. If Liverpool added two wide players, a striker and a centre back they'd be a force to be reckoned with.
Why does everyone call out Henderson as being some sort of massive failure?
He's already looking better then Lucas did when he first joined us and look what became of him!
Ill give you Downing though
Not sure I see the comparisons tbh? Lucas was moulded into a very good defensive midfielder due to his lack of ability elsewhere, I cant see Henderson being moulded into a defensive midfielder as well. From best I can tell Henderson was brought to be box to box and chip in with goals and assists but from a technical standpoint I dont think he's got what it takes to be a starter week in week out should Liverpool find themselves back in the top 4/challenging for the title. He might turn out to be a invaluable squad player though.
Lucas never started life with us as being a DM though, his early appearances came as a replacement for Gerrard even. He came with a reputation as being a skilful box to box player, much like Henderson is supposed to be. Hence the comparison .
Whilst I think there is some truth in that, the league has also become far more competitive. More teams have spent far more money and are being run better, as a result it is far harder to storm the league without serious challenge. For instance the team Man City currently has is definately in the same ball park as the league winning teams Arsenal, Man U and Chelsea have had in the past 10 years.
With so little investment, how many delays to the stadium will it take before your lot want FSG out too then?
The reality is that we don't and never needed outside investment, what we needed was the club to be run properly. Which is starting to happen.
During Rick Parry's time at Liverpool (and even before that) we were run like a corner shop. Rick Parry handled everything from renewing players contracts to negotiating and signing all the commercial deals. We were the last Premier League club (at the time) to open an official store and not only were we selling ourselves short in regards to our commercial deals; going into the 2005 CL final, we didn't have a shirt sponsor lined up for the following season. It was only at the last minute that Carlsberg agreed to renew the deal and pay us £3.5m per year (which eventually rose to ~£7m). Because of that delay Reebok withheld money from our kit deal as they claimed the deal cost them money (we eventually got the money after taking Reebok to court).
The one good thing from Hicks and Gillett's time at Liverpool was the appointment of Ian Ayre as commerical director. Under him our shirt sponsorship deal has rose from £7m to just over £20m (as well as several other smaller deals) and our kit deal has gone from being worth £12m to possibly as much as £50m. If only David Moores had appointed somebody like Ayre, we'd have been in our new ground 10 years ago and it would have cost a fraction of what it's likely to cost.
Ah I see so because Lucas failed as a Gerrard replacement when Henderson fails like wise he'll also be made into a defensive midfielder I get ya now
It was Rafa's system which placed Lucas as a DM. He tended to be on for either Alonso or Mach as one of two holding mids. Despite that not being his position and getting stick for a number of years, he has made it his own now. this is because the guy is a top class footballer, not because he was bad at attacking.
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