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[G|mp]

No, he hasn't been the same player for Bilbao since that and has struggled quite a bit it seems. I think he probably has his heart set on joining so why not finish the deal off? He's a relatively young player which is always a risk but anyone who's watched him says there is a LOT of potential there to be unlocked. The few times I've seen him over the past couple of years I've thought he looked very good usually.

They don't need to sell though which is what the problem is, we don't value him at his release clause and they don't want to sell for less than that.

He's a tidy little player from what I've seen but we need a box to box and a tidy midfielder at the moment to replace Cleverly. I would go so far as to say we need 3 midfielders including a proper DM as well.

 

[Robbo]

They don't need to sell though which is what the problem is, we don't value him at his release clause and they don't want to sell for less than that.

He's a tidy little player from what I've seen but we need a box to box and a tidy midfielder at the moment to replace Cleverly. I would go so far as to say we need 3 midfielders including a proper DM as well.

I agree, I would say though that Herrera is somewhere between a box to box midfielder and Cleverley, a much better version of Cleverley, that is. I know we didn't value him at his release clause in the summer, but we might do now, especially if he's the only target we can get. His release clause goes up further in June as well I believe so there's a chance we might just pay it now. It's approx £29m in pounds which certainly isn't overly cheap. We'd probably be better offering a bit less than that to see if Juventus will let Marchisio go, he's got a few years in him yet.

Moyes seems to think Fellaini is the answer to our DM problems, so far I think he's way off the mark but it might be smart to give Fellaini a bit more of a chance, he can sit in the front of the defence and elbow people.

Fletcher will probably end up a squad player, which is fine.

 

[Shamikebab]

I suspect Januzaj is on more money than he ideally should be at his age

But then he must look at how much Young is on and probably be thinking he should be on a lot more

 

[Robbo]

But then he must look at how much Young is on and probably be thinking he should be on a lot more

Yeah probably.

 

[FrankJH]

Given the clubs situation, CL football isn't guaranteed for next season, and wasn't when he signed the contract a while ago either. I don't think the club would have agreed to a clause such as that unless it applied after the end of next season. Also, that the buyout clause would be rather large, probably more than most clubs would consider paying for someone of his age and current status. I suspect Januzaj is on more money than he ideally should be at his age, but he's very happy to stay at the club and should know full well that this slump won't continue for too much longer. It's not as if he's old anyway..

Im not sure there are buy out clauses in England are there, certainly very unusual (usually only refrred to in european contracts rather than English ones)

Either way, it was more about potentially losing one of most exciting players while he is still very young more than anything else.

No, he hasn't been the same player for Bilbao since that and has struggled quite a bit it seems. I think he probably has his heart set on joining so why not finish the deal off? He's a relatively young player which is always a risk but anyone who's watched him says there is a LOT of potential there to be unlocked. The few times I've seen him over the past couple of years I've thought he looked very good usually.

Fair enough (and Ive seen him a few times alos) but that fee seems very large even so

 

[Robbo]

The Herrera fee would be large and more than he's worth, but what are we meant to do. We're going to be held to ransom all the time, January or not, because clubs know we're looking to get several new players in. I'd rather we just risked a few million here and there than signed nobody - again. We should be able to take the hit.

I think we should look at Cabaye, proven in the league, way better than any of our midfielders, etc.

 

[G|mp]

Herrera and Cabaye as replacements for Anderson/Cleverly would do me as a start.

We would be held to ransom over Cabaye though with Ashley trying to get every penny he can.

 

[Robbo]

Herrera and Cabaye as replacements for Anderson/Cleverly would do me as a start.

We would be held to ransom over Cabaye though with Ashley trying to get every penny he can.

That would be great, yes.

Cabaye can buy himself out of his contract in June for £6m, or so I've read, so Ashley might well accept something around the £15m mark this month.

It'd also be beneficial for us to get it wrapped up quickly as you just know PSG will start sniffing around soon.

 

[BaZ87]

Cabaye can buy himself out of his contract in June for £6m, or so I've read, so Ashley might well accept something around the £15m mark this month.

This is far from straight forward. A sports lawyer that claims to have been involved in lots of PL contracts was talking about this ruling the other day, following one of the newspapers reporting Rooney was considering it. He claims that the player + the club he goes on to sign for could be liable for not just the player's outstanding wages but also would have to pay the market value of the player (and no, CM won't be doing the calculations).

How you determine the players market value is difficult of course but he says that most high profile players will have some sort of figure mentioned in their contract to cover the club against this sort of thing. IIRC, he speculated in the summer that the £40m clause (that never was) in Suarez's contract was for this very reason rather than a figure that forced Liverpool to sell.

 

[G|mp]

Yeah it's not going to be straight forward unless Ashley is resigned to losing him and even then I imagine he would rather sell to PSG but then again they are trying to sign every man and his dog at the moment.

Cabaye is worth 12-15 imo, his set pieces would be the big difference for me. Any more than that though and they can keep him.

 

[Robbo]

This is far from straight forward. A sports lawyer that claims to have been involved in lots of PL contracts was talking about this ruling the other day, following one of the newspapers reporting Rooney was considering it. He claims that the player + the club he goes on to sign for could be liable for not just the player's outstanding wages but also would have to pay the market value of the player (and no, CM won't be doing the calculations).

How you determine the players market value is difficult of course but he says that most high profile players will have some sort of figure mentioned in their contract to cover the club against this sort of thing. IIRC, he speculated in the summer that the £40m clause (that never was) in Suarez's contract was for this very reason rather than a figure that forced Liverpool to sell.

I don't doubt it would be very complicated, if it's even possible. He's certainly someone we should look at, regardless, and I suspect we have done before.

 

[Cosimo]

Sky reporting that Inter Milan president claims Fredy Guarin has an offer from a 'big club' and cannot be 'forced to stay'. He must for heard about Chelsea's Matic bid.

 

[The__Malteser]

Why don't United sell all their wingers and move to a narrow 4-3-2-1 formation?

Sell Young, Nani and Valencia, they are all crap anyway.

Play Kagawa and Rooney behind Van Persie/Chicarito. Januzaj can be kind of their substitute. Giggs will soon retire, and Zaha will probably go on loan. I think Powell can play behind the strikers (next year) and for now, just play some average attacking minded MC at AMC. A bunch of good MCs will be needed though.

 

[G|mp]

Well, they certainly do exist, so you're wrong on that point - the most recent example being Ravel Morrison. Then you say they're 'certainly very unusual'... but how would you know? You can't claim they're 'certainly very unusual' when you don't know anything about their prevalence...

You know what he means.

They don't exist as such in how they do on the continent, you don't get players having a minimum release clause here where if a team bids to that amount then they have activated that clause. What you have is other clauses like the Morrison one where there is certain stipulations within the contract. If they receive a bid of 10 Million or more they have to increase his wages or sell him.

 

[G|mp]

Why don't United sell all their wingers and move to a narrow 4-3-2-1 formation?

Sell Young, Nani and Valencia, they are all crap anyway.

Play Kagawa and Rooney behind Van Persie/Chicarito. Januzaj can be kind of their substitute. Giggs will soon retire, and Zaha will probably go on loan. I think Powell can play behind the strikers (next year) and for now, just play some average attacking minded MC at AMC. A bunch of good MCs will be needed though.

Yeah why not.

Lets completely change the way we play for a new formation to play players we don't have. All whilst going through the most turbulent time in 30 years.

Great idea.

 

[G|mp]

It may not be the case that every player's legally required to have one, but then many of the legally required ones aren't real clauses anyway... in the sense that they're for unrealistically stupid amounts of money. So there could be more 'real' ones here than in Spain .

The main point was he questioned if they exist at all in England... when they definitely do. Then claimed that they are certainly very unusual... when he can't know that with certainty. It was a stupid post for him to make.

There's that Morrison one, allegedly, but there's also a 'conventional' £18m release clause in his contract... if you believe the papers.

There will be similar caveats but nothing like it is on the continent. Where they actively bump up the price of the release clause as a warning to other teams more than anything.

It's like Thiagos clause last year of 17 million or whatever it was, included when he was young and unknown but then came back to bite their arse.

It's posturing more than anything and British clubs don't tend to do that.

 

[Robert1986]

Why don't United sell all their wingers and move to a narrow 4-3-2-1 formation?

Sell Young, Nani and Valencia, they are all crap anyway.

Play Kagawa and Rooney behind Van Persie/Chicarito. Januzaj can be kind of their substitute. Giggs will soon retire, and Zaha will probably go on loan. I think Powell can play behind the strikers (next year) and for now, just play some average attacking minded MC at AMC. A bunch of good MCs will be needed though.

442 is dead, no one plays 442 anymore. Fergie has made it work for many years but just barely.

A change in formation and play style is needed. Just copy what Chelsea, Arsenal and Man City are doing.. they all play the same formations.

We need a box to box midfielder. A new CB with credentials and possibly a new LB as Evra is leaving in the summer.

Exit door in the summer

Giggs (retire)
Valencia
Vidic (Barcelona?)
Evra
Young
Rio (retire)

Bring in the new UTD. Let Moyes mold his own team, as scary as that sounds, it is the only way forward.

 

[FrankJH]

The "problem" is that Man Utd have traditionally been based around wingers like Best, Becks, Kanchelskis, Ronaldo (spot the odd one out lol). Its the heritage of the club as much as Sir Matt Busby etc

 

[Robert1986]

The "problem" is that Man Utd have traditionally been based around wingers like Best, Becks, Kanchelskis, Ronaldo (spot the odd one out lol). Its the heritage of the club as much as Sir Matt Busby etc

Times change.

Our "wingers" aren't doing it anymore for us. We need goal scoring forwards. Giggs and Becks spoiled us.. Ronaldo showed us the way forward.. Now we have.....

Januzzi is gifted but he is still too young to rely on.

 

[J4K3 M]

Why cant everyone leave Cabaye alone

Although I do admit that I doubt he will be with us much longer, but then if a big bid comes in then im happy to allow it to be accepted