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I know what you mean. What's been most shocking is how often he's caught offside despite not moving.

I maintain that'll he'll be a better squad player/option off the bench than Borini though, especially with Origi likely to be joining this month.
 
BaZ87 said:
I know what you mean. What's been most shocking is how often he's caught offside despite not moving.

I maintain that'll he'll be a better squad player/option off the bench than Borini though, especially with Origi likely to be joining this month.
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The problem Liverpool have with lambert and were always going to have was that to be sharp and effective he needs to play every week, this was never going to happen at Liverpool so he was destined to fail.
 
Yep Ibe was doing really well for us with lots of game time, I think he scored 6 goals and now our other mid Eustace is injured,bit of a blow Liverpool recalling him (not that anyone else cares about the Derby side of matter but hey :p )
 
Cosimo said:
Lots of rumours about Schurrle and Salah moving on:

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...-for-real-madrids-raphael-varane-9979759.html

Besiktas have now confirmed talks over a Salah purchase and Nathan Ake loan.
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Salah's been pretty poor every time he's played so that wouldn't be a great loss and I don't know what's happened to Schurrle either, he's just forgotten how to play football.
I wouldn't mind either or both leaving but the issue will be who we replace them with as our squad is pretty small.
 
Schurrle was always crap, he's selfish, has poor delivery and not good finishing. But he's fast and gets some important tap ins and like ALL footballers ever, whack the ball at the goal often enough and you'll score a couple of cracking goals. His interplay is poor, he's useless outside the final third and not very good in it.

Realistically after the world cup and at his age he'll never be worth more than he is now so a good time to sell though if they managed to offload him right after the world cup they may have gotten more. Salah is harder to judge, never seen him have a run of games or play while in form but not much of what I have seen has suggested he'd be good enough for a top team.
 
drunkenmaster said:
Schurrle was always crap, he's selfish, has poor delivery and not good finishing. But he's fast and gets some important tap ins and like ALL footballers ever, whack the ball at the goal often enough and you'll score a couple of cracking goals. His interplay is poor, he's useless outside the final third and not very good in it.

Realistically after the world cup and at his age he'll never be worth more than he is now so a good time to sell though if they managed to offload him right after the world cup they may have gotten more. Salah is harder to judge, never seen him have a run of games or play while in form but not much of what I have seen has suggested he'd be good enough for a top team.
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Q.

Are there any players that you rate?
 
opethdisciple said:
Q.

Are there any players that you rate?
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There are lots of players I rate and constantly talk about players I like and about great performances, people choose to read what they want and pretend like I'm always negative.

I have a particular dislike of players who run a lot and do nothing, or rely purely on speed and other peoples work to get a few tap ins. They can be useful but they still aren't good footballers, they are just athletic and at times effective, Schurrle really isn't effective.

From a wide position he managed 2 assists in 15 starts/15 subs last year, 8 goals, sure, but 1 against Cardiff, a hat-trick against Fulham, 2 against Stoke, 1 more against Arsenal but in that game that Arsenal forgot how to play football.

I like to judge a players consistent contribution, when it's heavily skewed to just a few games a year and mostly against the worst few sides in the league but I see them being completely ineffective for 80% of every performance I think they are poor players.
 
drunkenmaster said:
pretend like I'm always negative.
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In all fairness to DM, I don't particularly rate Schurrle either. He's not bad by any stretch, but is an example that being able to run fast and hit a ball hard gets you an awful lot more attention as a footballer than you deserve.
 
Whilst I agree with the points made, you can't really prefer a player over his style. Just because a guy who can run fast and smack it hard doesn't mean he is less of a player who can hold the ball up. Different skill sets that are applicable in different circumstances of a team. It matters only what the manager wants. Schurlle, IMO is by no means a poor player.
 
You can't prefer a player for his style...really? YOu can prefer a player because of his hair style or, if you're that way inclined, the size of their junk, or their tattoos.

I don't dislike him because of his style, but his ability. Regardless of style a player can be selfish or not, can work hard defensively or not, can pass well, finish well, cross well or not. On top of that even not great players can be consistent in what they do, Schurrle both doesn't show a lot of talent while also not being consistent.

There are guys who play a very similar style, very pacey but are effective in lets say 7 or 8 out of every 10 games and throughout a game will be dangerous and good for most of the game. Schurrle isn't that guy, he had 4-5 games he actually effected the result in last year and all but one of them were against crap teams or Arsenal having their nightmare game(where they were genuinely horrendous). He's good in 1 or 2 out of every 10 games and in and out of most games. Plenty of players are mostly about pace but are still muccchhhhh better than Schurrle.

Either way, you can be poor and effective, brilliant but inconsistent, for me Schurrle is both not great, not very effective and not consistent. A "good" player for me would be either talented, consistent or effective(though ok consistent/effective aren't that dissimilar in this context). If you're going to be highly limited in how you play you need to be very consistent and work hard, neither of which I would regard Schurrle as, hence poor.
 
Captain Planet said:
Whilst I agree with the points made, you can't really prefer a player over his style. Just because a guy who can run fast and smack it hard doesn't mean he is less of a player who can hold the ball up. Different skill sets that are applicable in different circumstances of a team. It matters only what the manager wants. Schurlle, IMO is by no means a poor player.
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In fairness, I didn't say that he was a poor player, but he's the sort of player who gets an awful lot of attention for not doing a huge amount.
 
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