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Yes real do need to replace Casillas. The problem with buying Spanish players is always the lure of real madrid and barca..
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Don't you mean the problem with buying anyone who is not British?
The top players want to go there, the ones that don't are the typical Brit. I mean you just couldn't see Rooney going there or John Terry but other Europeans at the top I can see the draw. I think it's a shame more top British players don't play more around Europe.
As you said we have clubs that qualify regularly and for many years on the trot but that's not the same as being a contender. Those two clubs are not only just about guaranteed to qualify they have the clout and lifestyle to mop up the best players in the world. They have the ability to keep on taking the very best players from our best clubs. When was the last time (because I don't know) that we took their best players, one they would want to keep? The only thing I really think that can be matched to a degree is wages.
They have Keylor Navas too who is a very good keeper.
1. Maybe a few seasons ago Frank would have had a point. He doesn't now. Utd spent a fortune last season and didn't make the CL. They've spent even more this summer and still are far from certain to make the CL.
2. He was the keeper Utd chose. They were not forced to sign him. Their opinion was that he was the best choice, whether that be short term, long term or a mixture of both
I can see your point but your obvious Liverpool bias (and therefore anti-United bias) is showing unfortunately. The situation at United is not really as bad as you portray it. The situation at the club is still better than every team in the league apart from City and Chelsea. There is no reason at all (given the money they have spent, the number of competitions they have to play in, and the overall resources of the club) why United shouldn't finish third this season. Anything less however and it will be a massive failure and underperformance.
No common sense is showing. I'm not sure how anybody that understands football could argue that Real isn't a safer bet for regular CL participation than Utd or practically any other side in Europe.
Those that don't understand football on the other hand....
And I've not portrayed Utd as anything, just pointed out the fact that they didn't make the CL last season and aren't certain to this year.
If United continue to spend as they are doing then you are incorrect. More spending = more chance to get into the CL (after all, that's what Real and Barca do). Arsenal are starting to realise this too and are appear to be trying to bring in top players, as their top 4 place that they are normally happy to settle for is under threat.
Are Utd as certain to make the CL as Real? No if's but's or maybe's. Yes or no.
If you say no then I'm not incorrect. If you say yes then you need your head testing.
It's a very simple point, Real (and a couple of other clubs) are a safe bet when it comes to CL qualification due to their strength compared to the rest of the League. That's simply not the case in the PL anymore and Utd's struggles in the past 18 months prove that.
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Don't you mean the problem with buying anyone who is not British?
The top players want to go there, the ones that don't are the typical Brit. I mean you just couldn't see Rooney going there or John Terry but other Europeans at the top I can see the draw. I think it's a shame more top British players don't play more around Europe.
As you said we have clubs that qualify regularly and for many years on the trot but that's not the same as being a contender. Those two clubs are not only just about guaranteed to qualify they have the clout and lifestyle to mop up the best players in the world. They have the ability to keep on taking the very best players from our best clubs. When was the last time (because I don't know) that we took their best players, one they would want to keep? The only thing I really think that can be matched to a degree is wages.
I mean yes and no if real madrid come knocking it's hard to say no. If you are Spanish anyway, and thus know the language, have family there etc then it's more difficult.
look at the Italians or Germans, yes real madrid have signed some of them but the draw isn't as strong hence why you end up with more easterly based players like davor suker or pedrag mijatovic, rather than del piero or Roberto baggio...
Your overall point is that the Spanish league is weaker than ours, which I agree with. The size of the various clubs and their spending power was my point, ie. that United are very similar to Real and Barca in this regard. Qualification for the CL for a club is a combination of the two.
I am aware that some players are attracted to the clubs where CL qualification comes free in their cereal packets, it would be naïve to think otherwise. If you read my previous posts I haven't commented on whether or not De Gea will leave if Real come knocking, I was simply commenting on some of the points people were coming out with.
No, my overall point was that Real are a far safer bet for somebody that may want guaranteed CL qualification than Utd.
I didn't question you on whether De Gea would or wouldn't move. And if you read my posts you would see that I've not mentioned anything about that either. I simply responded to Frank's post where he made 3 points, none of which imo made sense or counted for ****.
Del Piero or Baggio never moved to a German or Spanish side because they played with arguably bigger clubs when they were at their peak.
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Don't you mean the problem with buying anyone who is not British?
The top players want to go there, the ones that don't are the typical Brit. I mean you just couldn't see Rooney going there or John Terry but other Europeans at the top I can see the draw. I think it's a shame more top British players don't play more around Europe.
As you said we have clubs that qualify regularly and for many years on the trot but that's not the same as being a contender. Those two clubs are not only just about guaranteed to qualify they have the clout and lifestyle to mop up the best players in the world. They have the ability to keep on taking the very best players from our best clubs. When was the last time (because I don't know) that we took their best players, one they would want to keep? The only thing I really think that can be matched to a degree is wages.
I reckon the reason why the English national side isnt as good as expectations is partly down to the fact we dont have many English players playing overseas.
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Im not sure that playing in another country makes you a tangibly better player
more like our players aren't good enough/ too expensive to play abroad so they all play against each other and we compare them to each other and players like kevin Mirallas as opposed to comparing them to top players in italy or Spain and thus think they are awesome when infact they are not.
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Chelsea trying to sign Juan Cuadrado from Fiorentina ( a replacement for Salah) had a bid of £20.6m rejected yesterday. Salah is looking to move to Roma but the clubs have yet to agree on a fee.
Apparently Wolfsburg are willing to pay £23m for Schürrle. Bayer Leverkusen and Borussia Dortmund have shown interest as well but I can't see anything happening on this front until the summer.
Apparently Wolfsburg are willing to pay £23m for Schürrle. Bayer Leverkusen and Borussia Dortmund have shown interest as well but I can't see anything happening on this front until the summer.
Selling Schurrle and getting Cuadrado with the money would be another great piece of business for Chelsea.
The Mail are reporting that Newcastle are in for Ipswich's Tyrone Mings. He can play at CB or LB and from what little I've seen of him would be a good signing for either position. Plus, the more left-backs we sign, the less likely it is that Dummet will ever play there again.
They're also reporting that QPR want Osvaldo, who is on loan at Inter but has been fighting with team-mates and missing training sessions. Exactly the kind of player you want in a relegation scrap.
The Mail are reporting that Newcastle are in for Ipswich's Tyrone Mings. He can play at CB or LB and from what little I've seen of him would be a good signing for either position. Plus, the more left-backs we sign, the less likely it is that Dummet will ever play there again.
They're also reporting that QPR want Osvaldo, who is on loan at Inter but has been fighting with team-mates and missing training sessions. Exactly the kind of player you want in a relegation scrap.
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Why on earth would anyone pay £23 million for Schurrle? That's mad! If Chelsea manage to sell him for that amount and buy Cuadrado for anything up to £30 million, they will have done another fantastic bit of transfer business.
Oh and regarding United, I actually agree with Baz. Real are a much safer bet than United to get in the CL. Real are arguably the best team in Spain at the moment, if not the world. In fact, have Real ever missed out on qualify for the CL/European Cup?
I do, however, think that De Gea owes us for sticking by him when he was having a shocker and all the fans and media were on his back. Plus when he joined United he was a good keeper with a lot of potential, but United have helped mould him into the world-class keeper he is now. If RM are still likely to buy him regardless of whether he signs a new contract with us, the least he could do is repay that trust and confidence we showed in him by signing a contract and guaranteeing United a bigger transfer fee.
Oh and regarding United, I actually agree with Baz. Real are a much safer bet than United to get in the CL. Real are arguably the best team in Spain at the moment, if not the world. In fact, have Real ever missed out on qualify for the CL/European Cup?
I do, however, think that De Gea owes us for sticking by him when he was having a shocker and all the fans and media were on his back. Plus when he joined United he was a good keeper with a lot of potential, but United have helped mould him into the world-class keeper he is now. If RM are still likely to buy him regardless of whether he signs a new contract with us, the least he could do is repay that trust and confidence we showed in him by signing a contract and guaranteeing United a bigger transfer fee.
I never worried about De Gea and never thought he had any "bad" spells. He might have make the occasional mistake but he always made saves that 95% of keepers wouldn't so it never worried me. The areas of his game that were weaknesses were the easiest to work on as well.
As per usual, the media has a huge say in who is perceived to be amazing or crap. De Gea is now considered one of the top keepers in the world and the commentators gush over any run of the mill save he makes that isn't straight down his throat.
I personally think he will stay with us for another 3-4 years and then move onto madrid.
As per usual, the media has a huge say in who is perceived to be amazing or crap. De Gea is now considered one of the top keepers in the world and the commentators gush over any run of the mill save he makes that isn't straight down his throat.
I personally think he will stay with us for another 3-4 years and then move onto madrid.