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Meh, personally never been a proponent of the idea that kicking a ball long is bad. However statistically if Utd averaged 65% possession and had a similar number of long balls to a team that averages 30% possession, they won't have the same general ratio of long ball to short passing play.

So Burnley might have the ball for 30 mins a game and 80% of their play is long ball, while Utd might have it for 60 mins and only 40% of their play is long ball. Either way, who cares. They do suck but we've heard it from LVG's mouth, twitchy arse stuff when not playing 5 at the back... why? Inconsistent line up because most of their CB's are sicknotes, one half decent right back constantly injured, one joke at right back, a literal joke making money as a footballer which we can all laugh at.

If/when they pick up a CB and RB they'll likely switch to 4-4-2/4-3-3 consistently and we'll see how they do. They are playing an inefficient and unoptimised system because he inherited a completely awful defence. He could have replaced the entire defence in summer but then he wouldn't have gotten Blind, Di Maria or Herrera.

I'm quite interested to see what LVG does, will he bring in defenders the team needs, will the football improve if they consistently play a formation that suits the squad and I'm certain the team would improve if they could name a more consistent starting line up because every team I've ever seen play is better with a more consistent line up.

Also worth pointing out that Carrick isn't creative AT ALL, a decade ago before his Utd move he played further forward, he hasn't done that at Utd for a long time, sure he picks out the odd good defence splitting pass but he's not creative and Rooney isn't either. His attempts at being creative are pretty laughable. Leaving Mata and Di Maria, one is lazy and one has been completely over rated.

Di Maria excelled in a team in which there were always at least one but often 2-3 powerful runners, where the team would double/triple man mark Ronaldo leaving Di Maria far far more time and space than he'd get when he was the main driving force in the team. Even then people seem to have blown his 5 brilliant games last year out of all proportion. He's good, he's not that good, 60mil was laughable, 30mil would be getting in the region of sensible but it's hard to quantify how good he'd be in a team without Ronaldo.
 
Meh, personally never been a proponent of the idea that kicking a ball long is bad. However statistically if Utd averaged 65% possession and had a similar number of long balls to a team that averages 30% possession, they won't have the same general ratio of long ball to short passing play.

So Burnley might have the ball for 30 mins a game and 80% of their play is long ball, while Utd might have it for 60 mins and only 40% of their play is long ball. Either way, who cares. They do suck but we've heard it from LVG's mouth, twitchy arse stuff when not playing 5 at the back... why? Inconsistent line up because most of their CB's are sicknotes, one half decent right back constantly injured, one joke at right back, a literal joke making money as a footballer which we can all laugh at.

If/when they pick up a CB and RB they'll likely switch to 4-4-2/4-3-3 consistently and we'll see how they do. They are playing an inefficient and unoptimised system because he inherited a completely awful defence. He could have replaced the entire defence in summer but then he wouldn't have gotten Blind, Di Maria or Herrera.

I'm quite interested to see what LVG does, will he bring in defenders the team needs, will the football improve if they consistently play a formation that suits the squad and I'm certain the team would improve if they could name a more consistent starting line up because every team I've ever seen play is better with a more consistent line up.

Also worth pointing out that Carrick isn't creative AT ALL, a decade ago before his Utd move he played further forward, he hasn't done that at Utd for a long time, sure he picks out the odd good defence splitting pass but he's not creative and Rooney isn't either. His attempts at being creative are pretty laughable. Leaving Mata and Di Maria, one is lazy and one has been completely over rated.

Di Maria excelled in a team in which there were always at least one but often 2-3 powerful runners, where the team would double/triple man mark Ronaldo leaving Di Maria far far more time and space than he'd get when he was the main driving force in the team. Even then people seem to have blown his 5 brilliant games last year out of all proportion. He's good, he's not that good, 60mil was laughable, 30mil would be getting in the region of sensible but it's hard to quantify how good he'd be in a team without Ronaldo.
You used to rave about di maria when he was at RM. Has you opinion of him changed?
 
Di Maria exceeded my initial expectation. He is clearly our best and most talented footballer.

60 million? Expensive very much so. Used correctly by LVG?

But at least LVG has identified our lack of pace that I've heen talking about for aaages now. Problem is we need about 3 more di marias to be a useful side.
 
Di Maria exceeded my initial expectation. He is clearly our best and most talented footballer.

60 million? Expensive very much so. Used correctly by LVG?

But at least LVG has identified our lack of pace that I've heen talking about for aaages now. Problem is we need about 3 more di marias to be a useful side.

It has taken you this long to realise that he is a player completely out of utd league? He was your best player before he arrived and you'll be lucky to entice anyone of his magnitude in the near future. Utd fans need to realise their whole team, bar adm and ddg, is sub par today.
 
It has taken you this long to realise that he is a player completely out of utd league? He was your best player before he arrived and you'll be lucky to entice anyone of his magnitude in the near future. Utd fans need to realise their whole team, bar adm and ddg, is sub par today.

Er no. I said it after about his second or maybe third game. But thanks for playing.
 
DM didn't you dry hump the **** out of Di Maria?

He's an absolutely awesome player, creatively brilliant, great dribbling, quick and a fantastic work ethic when playing in the middle (where he clearly should play based on last season).

I dont usually jump on the 'DM is a a bit silly' bandwagon but when you u-turn so laughably on players and decide they're garbage because they're not Mexican and playing in Spain then it gets a bit silly.
 
Thanks but I don't u-turn on players and never dry humped the **** out of him. As with Ozil I said he was completely and utterly overpriced. Go back and find my posts, he can be great but I categorically stated he was crap throughout the world cup and while he had 5-6 truly brilliant games for Real last year that wasn't how he played on average.

He had great games and as such there will be posts after such games where I would say he was brilliant... IN THAT GAME. But I know for certain that when talking about Di Maria in general that I said people had a distinctly incorrect impression of him from last season.

He had a decent season no doubt, but he had more meh games than brilliant, just he hit peak form towards the end of the season and put on a show in some champs league games and some of the bigger league games towards the end of the season. If people watched 5 games and they were the last few rounds of the CL they would maybe fairly assume that was his normal level, it wasn't. He was playing out of his skin in those few games where he took on 3-4 players and scored a goal(forget which game precisely that was). If you watched 30+ Real games last year you wouldn't think he was as good as if you only watched his form at the end of the season.

Can't easily quote posts from a closed thread but here is part of one post...

I don't think Ozil was worth more than 20mil, Di Maria probably not worth more than 30mil and Sanchez is probably better than him. More pace... but tough to say who is the worse diver. They both randomly have games where they go down every touch, and others where they'll ride every tackle and in doing so are great offensively. I forget which game it was Di Maria rode some pretty bad tackles and set up a goal... champs league final? Other games he just dives all over the place. Both can be very frustrating.

Ultimately as a wide attacker, Sanchez will likely assist less but score a lot more than Di Maria. For Arsenal we need more goals to supplement the god awful Giroud. As Barca have been a bit rubbish in cups and big games for the last couple of years it's harder to judge just how good Sanchez is in the biggest games. I think he'll do well for us, looks to be okay value at 30mil, and I'd prefer to pay 30mil for him than 40mil + for Di Maria for sure. If they were both the same price I'd probably choose Sanchez for Arsenal, for another team where delivery/assists might be more important I might go Di Maria. IE I think Utd could do with Di Maria more than Sanchez.

Another on sanchez...

He's been mostly excellent, except for his diving. The issue as is so often the case, is not playing enough games makes his stats look less good.

he got 12 goals and 5 assists in the league first season, but that was only in 20 starts, and only 46 shots.

Again 8 goals 9 assists in the league doesn't stand out as brilliant, till you see it was only 18 starts in the league, another 11 sub appearances but that's only a few extra games in reality and he's a player who was also subbed off a lot. Again only 32 shots for those 8 goals is very good.

This season it's 19 goals and 10 assists, great return no matter the games but still only 27 starts there, and 19 goals with 66 shots is very very good.

He's been MUCH better than people suggest, just hasn't had a huge amount of playing time. The only season he's started really consistently he's been much better. Not a huge coincidence either, Messi missed a couple months, Sanchez played wide right with consistent starts and was great.

Which is what I still believe. Di Maria is more of a build up player, Sanchez is more of a goal scorer, Di Maria was drastically over priced, I said that quite specifically, had he been the same price as Sanchez I'd still take Sanchez because Arsenal needed more direct players up top, not more build up players. I still stand by that, I haven't criticised Sanchez directly this season but Wenger's use of him. before he signed I said he's deadly in the box, vastly under rated by everyone but his build up play is meh. He constantly gives it away while getting from the half way line to the box and his final ball is more often than not crap, but put him on the end of someone else's ball and he'll finish it. We should be playing a formation/style that has two wide players who can take it forward and put the ball in and Sanchez WAY up the pitch mostly playing in and around the box getting in behind or getting on the end of a cross/pass inside the box. He's been effective in precisely the way I've said. 90% of his goals are tap ins when he makes great runs into the box and has deadly finishing, outside the box he's got a very poor pass completion ratio, often hogs the ball and ends up giving it away.

Di Maria is someone who now and then will beat players but often will be a big girl and fall over a lot under pressure. With other players making the running and giving him space he can be very good but he was never in a million years a 60mil category player, he's inconsistent and the form he showed in the champs league and probably league cup final, several other games around the end of the season wasn't even close to his average performance, those were maybe his 4-5 stand out games in the past 5 years. If he could do that weekly then he would be worth 60mil but that is his 3-4 games a year level, on average he's no where near as good and no where near the 60mil mark in value.

His Utd goals/assists, one each against QPR, Leicester and Everton. 1 assist a piece against West Brom, Palace and Arsenal, 1 more goal against Yeovil. About what I would expect frankly. That is 3 goals in 44 shots in the league. Last year he had 4 goals in 63 shots in the league. This is pretty much the same Di Maria I saw last year. Is that one assist and no goals against a top half team?
 
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Ok fair enough - its a little bit of a technicality, but sure. The buying club know how much (roughly) the selling club are expecting at that point, if the risk is too high for them then its a "fail" - fine (in your example) Liverpool still bid, but likely knew it would never be accepted.

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Liverpool's offer for Remy was accepted. We just pulled out of the deal after his medical.
 
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Liverpool's offer for Remy was accepted. We just pulled out of the deal after his medical.

Which is surely failing a medical.....something Loki suggested never happened...

(whether he passed - or failed - at any other club is irrelevant)

Isn't it bordering on pointless even mentioning that?! I'd wait until there's a reasonably reliable journo talking about it/a significant news outlet in Spain or England/there's a crowd of sources all reporting the same rumour?

We'll be back to the ridiculous Twitter rumour RSS thread of old, soon :(.

No difference to someone mentioning a Sun / Mirror / etc article
 
Which is surely failing a medical.....something Loki suggested never happened...

(whether he passed - or failed - at any other club is irrelevant)

No he didn't, he explained the common mistake people make with medicals. It's not a set test with a pass or fail mark.

Clubs give players a series of medical examinations so they can see exactly what condition the player is in. They then look at the results of these tests and decide whether they're happy to go ahead with the deal or not.

Everything financially was agreed for us to sign Remy however something showed up in his medical (rumours ranging from his knee to his heart) that put us off. Chelsea would have carried out the exact same tests however they were prepared to take the risk. Exactly the same story with Ba - Stoke weren't prepared to take a risk on him but others were.
 
No he didn't, he explained the common mistake people make with medicals. It's not a set test with a pass or fail mark.

Clubs give players a series of medical examinations so they can see exactly what condition the player is in. They then look at the results of these tests and decide whether they're happy to go ahead with the deal or not.

Everything financially was agreed for us to sign Remy however something showed up in his medical (rumours ranging from his knee to his heart) that put us off. Chelsea would have carried out the exact same tests however they were prepared to take the risk. Exactly the same story with Ba - Stoke weren't prepared to take a risk on him but others were.

and the fact that Liverpool did not like what they saw in the medical and decided to pull out - indicates he failed it

All you are doing is splitting hairs
 
and the fact that Liverpool did not like what they saw in the medical and decided to pull out - indicates he failed it

All you are doing is splitting hairs

No, I didn't pull you up on your comments re medicals. It was your post re Liverpool and Remy that was totally wrong/made no sense which was why I post.
Who would've guessed the participants too!

:D

I was genuinely confused by Franks post on Liverpool's bid for Remy.
 
Arsenal have signed another player, must be a record pre-deadline day!

Gabriel from Villareal

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/20150128/arsenal-complete-the-signing-of-gabriel

Not seen him play tbh so I'm intrigued

Just about to post this myself.

The Brazilians are not the greatest defenders in the world so I will take him at face value (by that I mean I'll wait until I have seen him play - not that he is uglier than Keown).

Nice to see Wenger strengthening out defense though. Seems he is backing Coquelin more now. Will wait out on how that ends!
 
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