Poll: John Terry to lose England captaincy AGAIN
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the ponit your missing is 'off field problems'
you don't think it's counter productive to **** your best mates girlfriend?
you don't think it's poor form to call your England teammates brother a black ****? that one actually happened 'on the pitch'
I see you left out Gerrard punching people in night clubs, do you support liverpool by any chance
Rooney needlessly kicking an opponant didn't do any harm either, in fact it's rare to see someone showing passion if they are wearing three lions.
I didn't miss any point. You claimed that Gerrard (even though he was cleared) and Rooney's issues were off-field but that Terry's issues have affected performances on-field. So I'll ask you again, what affects have Terry's misdemenours had on the pitch? Has either Terry's or the side as a whole's performances dropped since either the Bridge or Ferdinand incidents?
And Rooney getting himself sent off because he can't control his temper doesn't do any harm?
i've already answered that one but i'll go again.
he called an opposing player a '****ing black ****' on the pitch.
he shagged his best mates gf who happened to be a teammate.
both of those really do affect things on the pitch.
No he doesn't.
I agree with that. Though I think the order should be:
a) a shoe-in for a position in the team whenever fit and available
b) respected within the squad/a leader
c) a respectable role model
Assault was dropped but I thought he was guilty of affray?
Nope. He was found not guilty.
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The only option is Parker, Gerrard shouldn't be near the squad, been horrible for England for donkeys years. He doesn't fit in a team, a team has to fit him and England never, ever has.
Likewise England for a chance when forced to have put in some actually good performances in the past year or so, Wilshire/Parker was a great combination, Wilshire, assuming he doesn't play, will be sorely missed, great defensively and offensively. But with Parker its the first time in basically a decade we've had a real defensive midfielder, someone who can tackle, read the game, get the ball forward quickly.
For years we've peed around with Barry pretending to be a footballer, slow, can't read the game and generally completely useless and before that we insisted for ages to shove Gerrard and Lampard in the team together for no reason whatsoever.
Lets not even mention the fact that, for people having a go at Terry, there is clear as day video evidence of Gerrard initiating an attack on a person and saw all his friends go to jail to cover his arse. Gerrard is NOT an England captain, and if Terry can't be a captain and realistically also shouldn't even go to the world cup, Gerrard shouldn't either, he's scum, that's conviniently ignored because his friends took the blame for him, that of course ignores missing years of being crap for England and being pretty average in the league for 2+ seasons as well.
England will suck, who cares, Capello picks Walcott ffs, the England team is more closely picked by The Sun, or should I say, the most popular players idiotic fans with no idea about football want to be in the team.
Gerrard, Terry on current form, Johnson, Walcott, Barry and Rio shouldn't be in the England team. Terry has been crap for much more than just this season, Rio hasn't been match fit for god knows how long and that cost us in the last cup, Johnson simply hasn't ever been able to defend and cost us horrifically badly in the last cup, Walcott is plain ****, Gerrard is a ****, injury prone, unreliable to stay in a position given to him, has never come close to matching Liverpool form(old form) with England anyway and has time and time proven incapable of sticking to a role given to him.
Likewise England for a chance when forced to have put in some actually good performances in the past year or so, Wilshire/Parker was a great combination, Wilshire, assuming he doesn't play, will be sorely missed, great defensively and offensively. But with Parker its the first time in basically a decade we've had a real defensive midfielder, someone who can tackle, read the game, get the ball forward quickly.
For years we've peed around with Barry pretending to be a footballer, slow, can't read the game and generally completely useless and before that we insisted for ages to shove Gerrard and Lampard in the team together for no reason whatsoever.
Lets not even mention the fact that, for people having a go at Terry, there is clear as day video evidence of Gerrard initiating an attack on a person and saw all his friends go to jail to cover his arse. Gerrard is NOT an England captain, and if Terry can't be a captain and realistically also shouldn't even go to the world cup, Gerrard shouldn't either, he's scum, that's conviniently ignored because his friends took the blame for him, that of course ignores missing years of being crap for England and being pretty average in the league for 2+ seasons as well.
England will suck, who cares, Capello picks Walcott ffs, the England team is more closely picked by The Sun, or should I say, the most popular players idiotic fans with no idea about football want to be in the team.
Gerrard, Terry on current form, Johnson, Walcott, Barry and Rio shouldn't be in the England team. Terry has been crap for much more than just this season, Rio hasn't been match fit for god knows how long and that cost us in the last cup, Johnson simply hasn't ever been able to defend and cost us horrifically badly in the last cup, Walcott is plain ****, Gerrard is a ****, injury prone, unreliable to stay in a position given to him, has never come close to matching Liverpool form(old form) with England anyway and has time and time proven incapable of sticking to a role given to him.
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The right decision.
In the work place, you normally find your self in a position of guilty until proved innocent. This is same for school teachers, banker etc you are removed until tribunal or trial and I see his position no different from any other.
In the work place, you normally find your self in a position of guilty until proved innocent. This is same for school teachers, banker etc you are removed until tribunal or trial and I see his position no different from any other.
Retracted then
I still don't see the point of installing him as captain, mind. Though he'd be clear 2nd choice, how much longer will he be around?
Surely that's only if they continue to be a danger?
i didn't mean Scholes for captain, just back in the team, i must have misread.
I didn't miss any point. You claimed that Gerrard (even though he was cleared) and Rooney's issues were off-field but that Terry's issues have affected performances on-field. So I'll ask you again, what affects have Terry's misdemenours had on the pitch? Has either Terry's or the side as a whole's performances dropped since either the Bridge or Ferdinand incidents?
And Rooney getting himself sent off because he can't control his temper doesn't do any harm?
1) he shagged his teamates mrs, it created a **** storm in the press and ended up with Bridge refusing to shake his hand, this the lead on to questions of whether Terry should be stripped of the captaincy and whether or not Bridge would ever play for England again. he was stripped of the captaincy and all that took everything away from the actual football game that was supposed to be being played.
2) he racially abused an opponant, an opponant who is his centre back partners brother, this then leads onto will Terry/Ferdinand ever play together again, which lead onto should he be stripped off the captaincy (again)
if you don't think that affects the team and their performances then i can't help you understand that fact without using pictures or something.
Rooney got sent off yes, did it affect the result of the game?
did you watch the game? England wouldn't have scored if they played for a week. it might affect England in the euro's admittedly.
I've not defended Terry. I was going off your own theory about on-field and off-field issues and their affects on the performance on the pitch. If you really think that either thing Terry's (allegedely) done had a greater effect on the performance of the team than a player getting sent off then its a waste of time debating this.
Oh and Rooney's needlessly got himself sent off more than once.
As I asked Tom earlier, why appoint a long term captain now. Lets say you picked Hart, who's to say that when the next manager takes over in the summer they won't want somebody else?
With Capello leaving after the Euros, I think it only makes sense to select the best possible captain for the short term and then address the long term issue after. And imo, Gerrard's the outstanding candidate for the short term.
Oh and Rooney's needlessly got himself sent off more than once.
Retracted then
I still don't see the point of installing him as captain, mind. Though he'd be clear 2nd choice, how much longer will he be around?
As I asked Tom earlier, why appoint a long term captain now. Lets say you picked Hart, who's to say that when the next manager takes over in the summer they won't want somebody else?
With Capello leaving after the Euros, I think it only makes sense to select the best possible captain for the short term and then address the long term issue after. And imo, Gerrard's the outstanding candidate for the short term.
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Whilst that's a fair shout I would like to see Hart given it. I think he'd do well.
Scott Parker and gerrard both have their merits, though how old is Parker now?
it doesn't have to be proven, people with a pair of eyes can see what he calls him.
gf/ex does it matter, the fact remains he shagged the Mother of Bridge's children whilst being his best friend, in the same position would you claim that it didn't affect your relationship with that friend? for instance, it happens in your place of work and every couple of months you have to meet up with other people in your field and 'work together' would you be able to sit in the same office and be chummy with him?
selective quoting is great isn't it!
read the rest, it didn't affect the result because England were crap that night, read the match reports, they were crap and were not getting any better, hence why Rooney gets frustrated. you don't see it often when he's with united as he is less frustrated by the idiots he has to play with.
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Parker is 31. Think he'd be the best candidate for captaincy tbh.