Who do you think cares about him getting banned on Twitter? Do you think he was popular for his Tweets? Most people who are interested in his content will watch his videos on Youtube and read his books
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Who do you think cares about him getting banned on Twitter? Do you think he was popular for his Tweets? Most people who are interested in his content will watch his videos on Youtube and read his books
I imagine JBP cares — at least a tiny bit — given that he’s commented on it since.
I imagine all of the Twitter-free-speech advocates care (including Elon Musk) — at least a tiny bit — given the discussion it’s generated online.
I imagine some of his fans care — at least a tiny bit — given the debate it’s sparked in places like the JBP subreddit.
It seems like a rather odd attempt at deflection from you to be honest.
I just don't think it matters for people who want to enjoy his content, most of it is on Youtube.
The thing is, if JBP just stuck to the psychology and self-help content, he would get far less pushback from certain quarters. But he chooses to dive head first into the culture war nonsense, probably because it garners support from other certain quarters.
His Twitter content is often at odds with his own “Rules for Life”. Shortly before the Elliot Page tweet, he had a meltdown over a Sports Illustrated cover model who he didn’t find attractive. It got to the point where he said he would be stepping away from Twitter for a while, yet a few days later he’s back getting himself banned.
The cynic in me questions the timing of these little incidents and how they coincide with the announcement that he’s joining The Daily Wire — nothing like a bit of culture war drama right before joining one of the biggest culture war grifter platforms in existence.
This just isn’t true, is it?
He had tenure. His direct students were very supportive of him. Even during his initial high-profile rise to fame surrounding the C-16 bill (when other students on campus were protesting him) the university stood by him. They even kept his position open during his breakdown and trip to Russia for treatment.
He chose to leave following (another) meltdown over having to write diversity inclusion statements to secure funding, among some other “moral protests” against diversity and inclusion, ESG, etc.
It’s not like there were a group of students picketing the university until they sacked him.
Soldato
I wonder with his refusing to call Elliot (Ellen) Page by the name he now uses, would he make such a big deal out of someone changing their name legally if it wasn't a gender change? So if someone changes their name from Alan to Dave, would he continue to call him Alan? Would he chose that as a hill to die on like he has this? Somehow I very much doubt it. Just call the person by the name they want to be called, it cost you nothing, its their name, their life and their choice.
Soldato
Wait are you saying the "his students got him sacked/cancelled" was just more internet lies? Well I never.
It's a very odd thing to get upset about.
Like you say, it really costs you nothing to just go along with it.
My daughter had a little phase where she thought about using different pronouns, we just went 'Whatever, but dont take offence if people don't get it right first time, and don't, for the love of god, try and make your grandparents understand.'
She gave it up in a few days.
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It's an insane thing to get upset about, and probably says more about his personality than anything else.
It's fairly basic manners, you use the name someone has told you they prefer. This is something I learned back in school, it's something even my stricter teachers accepted (especially if for example there were two kids with the same name in class).
To refuse to use someone's chosen name, is really very petty, especially when that person is an actor in which case any name you've ever used for them is unlikely to be their birth name.
I mean would Peterson keep referring to someone who was married by their maiden name, or someone who was married and got divorced and remarried by their old married name.
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Don't think he comes across particularly well in this but I at least have to give him some props for doing it, no chance you would see someone like Dave Rubin agree to an interview like this.
Soldato
It's the conviction with which their naivety is fuelled is quite impressive.
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Alan/Dave is politeness. Ellen/Elliot would also be politeness if it didn’t require you to deny facts. Now I out of courtesy would use Elliot‘s pronouns but I wouldn’t accept that she was a man or male. I just wouldn’t bring it up or avoid the subject in so far as it was problematic. Petersen seems more absolutist insofar as he won’t entertain the lie. I may not share his view but I don’t see it as illegitimate. Refusing to endorse someone else’s untruth doesn’t make him a nutter.
Where would we be if awkward individuals didn’t resist every fad going?
Where would we be if awkward individuals didn’t resist every fad going?
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You'd be missing my presence for a start
I'm with this Peterson bloke, whoever he might be. Not that I have ever heard or read a single word from him directly
Is he an ockard whatsit like me?
It's just a designation and all that's needed is a deed poll which would make it factually, legally their name. Also, writers use pseudonyms all the time, is that also sacrilegious?
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I think you're overstating what you think my view is. I don't mind that George Eliot was really Mary Ann Evans. I'd be happy to call Elliot Page, Elliot Page. I just don't think it is "wrong" that Petersen doesn't want to go along with it.
Soldato
No it just makes him a douche bag. Now if it was trans women competing in women sports events I'd be there on that hill with him but it isn't that.
Yep, that's where my 'live and let live' line in the sand is on that whole subject, sports.
I'm not sure how you deal with it, but it appears to be the case from the little I've read that Male to Female people hold an advantage so you start to negatively impact someone else's life for your choice, and that's where it gets murky for me.
Soldato
You deal with by the organisations that set the rules for these sports saying no, no trans women in women's sports. Yes they will get some push back but they should be defending the biological women playing their sports. Now if it was darts or some sport where it makes zero difference whether you are a man or a woman then that is different.
Totally agree with you in principle.
Though it would be interesting to see where the battle lines are then drawn. You assert that darts is a an example of where biology doesn't play a part in performance, probably I agree as it doesnt rely on physical strength in any way, but you can be sure there will be battles as to where that line is.
David Fuller has published an interesting article on JBP:
Have to say that I agree with a lot of that. He makes some good points.
Have to say that I agree with a lot of that. He makes some good points.