Junior doctor strike: Union's pay demands unrealistic, says Steve Barclay

that wage slip...... I guess I am just not with the times and don't get me wrong it IS less than I earn now (as a 47 year old with 15 years experience in my current job and 10 years experience in a related job). but that take home of 1800 quid for someone just 2 years in their job... it's way more than I was taking home even taking into account inflation after 10 years even in my field.
the job I do now requires a PHD and the starting salary take home is around that.

I agree it's not amazing...... but it's not diabolical either. imo the issue is how many hrs are they working. that is for me the offensive part. I don't really want a doctor diagnosing me and looking at MRIs or what ever on the back of a 15 hr shift.
 
bigmike20vt said:
that wage slip...... I guess I am just not with the times and don't get me wrong it IS less than I earn now (as a 47 year old with 15 years experience in my current job and 10 years experience in a related job). but that take home of 1800 quid for someone just 2 years in their job... it's way more than I was taking home even taking into account inflation after 10 years even in my field.
the job I do now requires a PHD and the starting salary take home is around that.

I agree it's not amazing...... but it's not diabolical either. imo the issue is how many hrs are they working. that is for me the offensive part. I don't really want a doctor diagnosing me and looking at MRIs or what ever on the back of a 15 hr shift.
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I wouldn’t be able to rent the home I own and run a car on that pay cheque in a top 5 Uk city. McDonald’s staff are taking home similar monthly wages. You are utterly out of touch if you think that it’s reasonable and are comparing it to your pay 10 years ago.
 
hurfdurf said:
I wouldn’t be able to rent the home I own and run a car on that pay cheque in a top 5 Uk city. McDonald’s staff are taking home similar monthly wages. You are utterly out of touch if you think that it’s reasonable and are comparing it to your pay 10 years ago.
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like I said... maybe but it's around the starting salary of my place just outside of Cambridge for a PHD position. also saying you could not afford your home. that all depends what your home is. I lived in shared accomodation with 4 others for a good number of years after starting work. ..... and your car, my 1st car was a 6 year old 306 (cost 5.5k) tidy and reliable but nothing interesting. is that acceptable in the modern day and age for a qualified person? I dunno but I was ok with it.
 
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bigmike20vt said:
that wage slip...... I guess I am just not with the times and don't get me wrong it IS less than I earn now (as a 47 year old with 15 years experience in my current job and 10 years experience in a related job). but that take home of 1800 quid for someone just 2 years in their job... it's way more than I was taking home even taking into account inflation after 10 years even in my field.
the job I do now requires a PHD and the starting salary take home is around that.

I agree it's not amazing...... but it's not diabolical either. imo the issue is how many hrs are they working. that is for me the offensive part. I don't really want a doctor diagnosing me and looking at MRIs or what ever on the back of a 15 hr shift.
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it really depends on the employment market. it depends on the area and if it is demand. interdisciplinary degree, Masters are the highest paid.

MSc Finance not as hot as MSc Finance with computer programming or MSc Finance with data science, or having both MSc finance and a Msc computer science etc...
MSC Engineering as the above list.

The days are long gone of a singular Masters subject.


Five years after graduation, the income gap between students who studied the subjects that attract the highest and lowest salaries can be considerable.
Graduates of medicine and dentistry earn an average of £46,700, while those who studied economics take home £40,000.
These figures are about double the average wages of creative arts (£20,100), agriculture (£22,000) and mass communication (£22,300) graduates.
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thenewoc said:
The argument is based I believe on their belief that their salary hasn't kept pace with inflation since about 2006. No one can expect a pay rise on that basis, the country would end up in hyper inflation and a vicious circle. Those in public services also need to realise the pay offer is only one aspect of an overall package that may include other perks such as subsidised key worker accommodation, final salary pension and job security not found in the private sector.
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Final salary pensions LOL. Did you just wake up after being frozen in time from the 1970/80s?
 
thenewoc said:
There's a range of different contracts across the workforce with older members having older more beneficial contracts. Even if not final salary I'm sure the employer contributions are favourable compared to many others.
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You can just say your wrong my man. Show me an average public sector worker that continues to have a final salary pension.
 
CaptainRAVE said:
Some of us also recognise it would kill off what’s left of the economy.
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If that will cause change then let it be. Your tax money is funding the elite which have latched onto the public sector as an area to making profits, helped by all political parties.
 
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CaptainRAVE said:
Some of us also recognise it would kill off what’s left of the economy.
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This is very short sighted... not paying them they would leave to other countries, similar to what happened in the past, doctors used to came in UK from various parts - now doctors are migrating to other places - the easier is Australia/ Canada/ NZ.
So it may in the end kill what is left of the population if the consultants of tomorrow have uprooted somewhere else
 
thenewoc said:
There's a range of different contracts across the workforce with older members having older more beneficial contracts. Even if not final salary I'm sure the employer contributions are favourable compared to many others.
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You are stuck 20 to 40 years ago with no clue on the current realities of the economy. Please just admit you were wrong.
 
casaubond said:
This is very short sighted... not paying them they would leave to other countries, similar to what happened in the past, doctors used to came in UK from various parts - now doctors are migrating to other places - the easier is Australia/ Canada/ NZ.
So it may in the end kill what is left of the population if the consultants of tomorrow have uprooted somewhere else
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Unfortunately, that needs to happen to get the country to march on the government.
Currently they are fat, lazy and selfish.
 
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