Once again, what has this got to do with junior doctors ( who work in hospitals for the most part, not from home ) ? Why can't you stick to the topic ?
Junior doctor strike: Union's pay demands unrealistic, says Steve Barclay
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I'd say it is more appropriate to compare to what actual salaries have been doing than comparing to (often used RPI).
There was the post Brexit/Covid squeeze in the labour markets, but other than that they are falling. Unless you work for an oil company with increasing revenues, its not possible to pay people in line with inflation. Unless you want the price of everything to increase 10% again over the next year.
The boom of the 2000s are a long distant memory.
The civil service in general have had minimal wage growth since austerity starter, and I can understand some form of catchup, but it needs to be more general (even if it is smaller as a consequence) rather than favouring a particular part of the civil service.
There was the post Brexit/Covid squeeze in the labour markets, but other than that they are falling. Unless you work for an oil company with increasing revenues, its not possible to pay people in line with inflation. Unless you want the price of everything to increase 10% again over the next year.
The boom of the 2000s are a long distant memory.
The civil service in general have had minimal wage growth since austerity starter, and I can understand some form of catchup, but it needs to be more general (even if it is smaller as a consequence) rather than favouring a particular part of the civil service.
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it would be great to see in relation with tax banding. 1990 1 in 16 pay higher tax, 2024 1 in 6 pay higher rate of tax.I'd say it is more appropriate to compare to what actual salaries have been doing than comparing to (often used RPI).
There was the post Brexit/Covid squeeze in the labour markets, but other than that they are falling. Unless you work for an oil company with increasing revenues, its not possible to pay people in line with inflation. Unless you want the price of everything to increase 10% again over the next year.
The boom of the 2000s are a long distant memory.
The civil service in general have had minimal wage growth since austerity starter, and I can understand some form of catchup, but it needs to be more general (even if it is smaller as a consequence) rather than favouring a particular part of the civil service.
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The topic is complex and a wide variety of external factors such as how others are paid for their efforts (or lack of) have bearings on the matter and influence the juniors. That and mendacious militants.
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£14 an hour is pathetic. Minimum should be £20.
Why do unions always use RPI when it isn't the real measure of inflation...
It is immediately an unrealistic starting point.
It is immediately an unrealistic starting point.
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Yes, the topic is complex but it has absolutely nothing to do with the majority of the nonsense you've been trotting out in this thread. If you can't debate the point in a coherent and relevant matter, stay out of the conversation.
Agreed. @Chris Wilson we’ve spoken about this previously but you’re returning to your old ways. Tone it down a little please, and as said please ensure your posts are relevant to the topic. Actually relevant, not your unique interpretation of relevant.
No but 35% is unrealistic.
The lowest paid should get a decent pay rise but this shouldn't be a blanket rise for the whole of the NHS, it should be tapered in favour of the lowest bands in skilled roles. You are also not expected to stay a junior doctor, they're on a low starting point because as with any job they don't start off providing the same value as someone that has climbed the ranks and knows the job inside out with less supervision. You are therefore expected to climb beyond junior doctor and then be replaced by newer junior doctors. It is therefore not intended to be an overly comfortable wage as you are not expected to stick to that position and stagnate.
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35% is just laughable. We’d all love a pay rise.
Strike for one then. Don’t knock others for doing so when they are simply trying to match inflation.
The argument is based I believe on their belief that their salary hasn't kept pace with inflation since about 2006. No one can expect a pay rise on that basis, the country would end up in hyper inflation and a vicious circle. Those in public services also need to realise the pay offer is only one aspect of an overall package that may include other perks such as subsidised key worker accommodation, final salary pension and job security not found in the private sector.
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No, but you should also add in the pension contributions they gain.
Look at how much pension a doctor will typically end up with at retirement, compared to anyone else who would have to fund it through their own salary.
As much as many will be genuine in needing help with cost of living, most doctors are in this for the long-term money, reaching consultant level and having far more wealth than average. There's a reason that the recent pension cap removal was directed at 'bringing retired doctors back'.
I didn't know this, can you tell me more?
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There's no subsidised accommodation or final salary pension. There's plenty of job security though as everywhere is understaffed and begging for more staff.
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You're not using the NHS Spearmint Rhino perk?
That was 20 years ago, those perks don’t exist anymore. Keep up. These benefits have been stripped and so now pay is all that matters.
This is laughable.