Soldato
I've not seen any footage of people being 'mown over'. Plenty of footage of people being slowly pushed along giving them plenty of opportunity to hop out of the way but choosing not to for some idiotic reason....
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I've not seen any footage of people being 'mown over'. Plenty of footage of people being slowly pushed along giving them plenty of opportunity to hop out of the way but choosing not to for some idiotic reason....
Soldato
Regardless of your reasons - pushing someone along using a car should immediately result in your licence being taken away for a VERY long time.
It's akin to pointing a loaded gun at someone - even if you have no intention of pulling the trigger.
It's akin to pointing a loaded gun at someone - even if you have no intention of pulling the trigger.
Soldato
I disagree. If you're stupid enough to stand in traffic and the drivers are careful/skilful enough to *not* run you over while encouraging you out of the road they absolutely should keep their license.
I'd love to see that argument play out on a train track.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. The end.
But it could be if needed and we can't import enough.
Not sure that’s a wise long term investment at this point. We are literally about to hit peak petrol/diesel usage.
23% of new cars are plug in, nearly 17% are full BEV.
Is that worldwide?
I was referring specifically to the U.K. in the context above of investing in building new U.K. oil refineries to secure local supplies.
However, yes, worldwide peak petrol/diesel is not that far away either. Within years, perhaps a decade but certainly not decades.
Let's play spot the guy that wears lycra !
But 0 for commercial, shipping, agricultural and aircraft. Because batteries are useless for that.
Also oil is used in, or to make a lot of other products. Including equipment used to make and deliver EVs...
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I dunno in this case I see it more like walking across a firing range... then complaining people were pointing a gun at you.
I hate to state the blindingly obvious, but not building new refineries does not equal closing our existing refineries and the capacity they have.
We predominantly import petrol and diesel which we are about to hit peak usage of due to falling sales of ICE cars. Existing capacity isn’t going anywhere.
That said, commercial road vehicles are going electric…. that much is obvious.
Agriculture will probably follow suit for most of their use.
Covid and the following economic chaos has impacted the the data but you can see it starting here:
Volume of petrol and diesel consumed in the UK by month
The chart below shows the volume of petrol and diesel consumed in the UK by year over time. Hover over the lines to get precise values.
www.racfoundation.org
Road fuels for cars in Norway has dropped 20% already. Increased HGV use is keeping diesel from dropping dramatically but it’s only a matter of time.
Really?
The rac paint a different picture on the usage of petrol.
Yes diesel is still high but that's going to die as ev hgvs take over
Volume of petrol and diesel consumed in the UK by month
The chart below shows the volume of petrol and diesel consumed in the UK by year over time. Hover over the lines to get precise values.
www.racfoundation.org
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Has the escalating European cost of living crisis not impacted the amount of petrol and diesel bought by the average motorist, rather than a mass change to battery and hybrid powered cars?
And a lot more people working from home since lockdown.
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agree it maybe uneconomic to process oil in our refineries even if we have the capacity
post a few pages earlier - which asserts nashers point about jet fuel too (pity you can't run the car on that lower duty fuel - I thought - the govt subsidising tourism)Really?
The rac paint a different picture on the usage of petrol.
Yes diesel is still high but that's going to die as ev hgvs take over
agree it maybe uneconomic to process oil in our refineries even if we have the capacity
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There is no denying that there are wider impacts in the data but ultimately there are a near 1 million plug in vehicles on the roads in the U.K. now which means less fuel is being purchased that was otherwise would be.
It’s obvious that it’s going to have an impact, WfH or not.
There is no tax on jet fuel and it’s got absolutely nothing to do with the government wanting to subsidise tourism.
The government couldn’t apply a tax on jet fuel even if it wanted to without breaching a very longstanding international treaty which permits air travel.
Look up the Chicago Convention on Civil Aviation. Then look up why air passenger duty was introduced.
It’s obvious that it’s going to have an impact, WfH or not.
There is no tax on jet fuel and it’s got absolutely nothing to do with the government wanting to subsidise tourism.
The government couldn’t apply a tax on jet fuel even if it wanted to without breaching a very longstanding international treaty which permits air travel.
Look up the Chicago Convention on Civil Aviation. Then look up why air passenger duty was introduced.
I'll believe it when I see it, I've been to quite a few countries where electrification is so far down their list of priorities that it'll probably be the better part of a century for them to rely less on dead dino juice.
Given most fossil fuels are consumed by 'the west' and its 'the west' who are the ones aggressively pursuing things like electric cars (bar Japan), it may happen a lot sooner than you think.