"Just stop oil"

LabR@t said:
Without continued production it runs out there is no current viable alternative. the economic damage with exacerbate the cost of living crisis tenfold.

Pretty simple stuff.

Even there slogan is infantile
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Yup, it's a pretty dumb campaign all around... if we "just stop oil" meaning we don't grant new drilling licenses then we'll just end up importing more, it doesn't necessarily do anything to change emissions in the UK or the amount of oil consumed... it might impact the price and the reliability of supplies (especially given the current situation with Russia).

I mean what a time to hold protests like this when there is a cost of living crisis, in part, because of the possibility that there may not be enough natural gas available for us and others in Europe! Their campaign just seeks to increase uncertainty re: supply and exacerbate the cost of living issues.

Also, the claim along the lines of "all the government needs to do is stop granting new oil licenses and we'll stop blocking roads" is clearly nonsense, before that it was the extinction rebellion, then it was something about home insulation, then stop private jets... even if the government were to give in and recklessly just stop new oil and gas exploitation there would be another cause/goal for the same activists to start gluing themselves to roads over within a few months.
 
a1ex2001 said:
They are not saying don’t travel they are campaigning to against the government giving out more oil drilling licenses! Maybe they travel by train and electric car I’ve no idea it’s hardly relevant unless of course they all work for or have shares in shell!
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It seems pretty relevant given those things tend to require oil and gas!

Have they given any reasoning as to why it's preferable to stop domestic oil and gas production in favour of importing it from elsewhere? How does that help the environment? Are oil rigs/wells in Nigeria or Russia or Saudi magically better?

I mean even if we managed to get all our power generation from nuclear and/or renewable sources (unrealistic any time soon) we'd still have demand for oil... it's used in plastics, it's used to build roads... and so long as it's profitable to do so then I don't see why extracting it offshore in the North Sea is a big issue?

(I can see why there are some objections to fracking of course but that doesn't seem to be what they're protesting specifically).
 
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Ahleckz said:
the point is that if we reduced resilience on oil, there’d be greater investment and research into alternatives and discover these alternatives. We should be taxing them more (windfall tax) and channelling money away from O&G to research to alternatives and make us world leaders in these areas.
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We need to maintain a functioning modern society in order to be able to research anything. Which means that we need to continue using oil and gas. We're already reducing reliance on them. We're already investing in alternatives about as far as can be done without ruining society and ruining society won't automagically create better alternatives. It might be different if we'd invested in nuclear power since that's the only viable alternative (and even then only partially) but we didn't because of protestors.
 
There needs to be a serious debate amongst world leaders about saving the planet.

But because many of our world leaders are total ******g morons, and because many of our populations like to trump their "national pride" we're all ******.
 
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adam cool dude said:
Lorry crash on M25 due to protestor in the road and taking avoiding action.

A Policeman has been injured as a result whilst trying to get the traffic moving again.
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It’s only a matter of time until there is a serious accident. Hopefully only the protestors are those harmed.

Huge police presence this morning near at 22, but there still aren’t enough of them.
 
The only sensible solution is power stations off planet. All that free solar and radiation in near space. Huge thousands of square miles sails to capture the stuff.

We would need to retain hydrocarbon technologies to get it all up there. ;)
 
Hagar said:
The only sensible solution is power stations off planet. All that free solar and radiation in near space. Huge thousands of square miles sails to capture the stuff.

We would need to retain hydrocarbon technologies to get it all up there. ;)
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if that is even possible it would be a great thing indeed..... even if it is, given the progress that has been made in space over the last 30 years, i cant see it happening in my life time.

what ever happened to us having a moon base by 1999 ?
 
caff said:
There needs to be a serious debate amongst world leaders about saving the planet.

But because many of our world leaders are total ******g morons, and because many of our populations like to trump their "national pride" we're all ******.
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Its basically not going to happen. There are too many countries that depend on polluting or their very way of life would be completely changed if we actually did what was necessary. Add in the fact that many of the decision makers won't even be around to suffer the consequences of their actions and its very unlikely.
 
adam cool dude said:
Lorry crash on M25 due to protestor in the road and taking avoiding action.

A Policeman has been injured as a result whilst trying to get the traffic moving again.
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Well this is just a lie. Care to edit it?
Just Stop Oil protests: Police officer hurt amid M25 disruption https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-63565808

bigmike20vt said:
everything i have seen makes it sound like the protesters were only indirectly responsible.... ie it was the roadblock which caused the accident.
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Indirectly? That’s a stretch. Sounds like the the lorry driver was entirely at fault by driving too close to the lorry in front.
 
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Ahleckz said:
Just Stop Oil protests: Police officer hurt amid M25 disruption https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-63565808


Indirectly? That’s a stretch. Sounds like the the lorry driver was entirely at fault by driving too close to the lorry in front.
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true.... the vehicle driver should be aware at all times ready to respond to what ever happens on the road in front of them....... but equally deliberately causing roadblocks and distracting drivers on a busy road, this kind of thing is inevitable......... and as such i think there is enough blame to go around for both of them (pending more information as to what happened).
 
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Ahleckz said:
Well this is just a lie. Care to edit it?
Just Stop Oil protests: Police officer hurt amid M25 disruption https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-63565808


Indirectly? That’s a stretch. Sounds like the the lorry driver was entirely at fault by driving too close to the lorry in front.
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How are not sure the lorry driver was not distracted from the idiot climbing and vandalising overhead signs and gantry's.
 
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