"Just stop oil"

[bigmike20vt]

I hate the DM and my instant reaction is to disbelieve everything they say..... IF it turns out to be true imo that sounds pretty cut and dry, but i would rather read it from a slightly more trustworthy source 1st.

(am sure a couple of posters in this thread will be quick to blame the police motorcyclist however even if it is true)

 

[Ahleckz]

Just Stop Oil return to the M25 AGAIN: Protester manages scales gantry

Met Commissioner Sir Mark Rowley defended the response to the environ-extremists who have shut Britain's busiest motorway for the third day running, declaring: 'We're going as quickly as we can.'

www.dailymail.co.uk

One witness told MailOnline: 'I was driving along at around 6.21am when a woman started climbing a gantry. A police officer on a motorbike swerved to try to stop her and collided with a lorry, which then crashed into another lorry. I stopped to check if the police officer was alright. They arrested the woman before she could get on to the gantry'.

Glad we cleared that up. Yes it is the mail and yes it is more than likely not 100% correct but don't be so quick to judge blame on lorry drivers.

If that’s true, then the police driver is likely to be blame as it reads they acted without looking. A lorry doesn’t jump out of nowhere.
However I stand by the point that a driver is at fault here.

 

[bigmike20vt]

If that’s true, then the police driver is likely to be blame as it reads they acted without looking. A lorry doesn’t jump out of nowhere.
However I stand by the point that a driver is at fault here.

I thought you would blame the police!.

I am no legal expert but..... coming at it from another angle........ isnt there a legal precedent that if you are committing a crime, if in doing that, other unintended but potentially forseeable consequences of you committing that crime you are also held at least in part responsible for.

So, if i robbed a bank, a customer in that bank had a dicky heart, and in their panic had a heart attack and died......... i would still be found partially culpable for?

so in this case, whilst the police motorcylist maybe made a mistake whilst trying to apprehend the pedestrian, because they should not have been there, thus causing the copper to intervene, they would be liable anyway? ****


**** assuming the DM is reporting accurately and not peddling nonsense.....

 

[Hagar]

Which is why they can arrest the organisers for creating a public nuisance even if they were never within fifty miles of the M25 location.

 

[Rroff]

I hate the DM and my instant reaction is to disbelieve everything they say..... IF it turns out to be true imo that sounds pretty cut and dry, but i would rather read it from a slightly more trustworthy source 1st.

(am sure a couple of posters in this thread will be quick to blame the police motorcyclist however even if it is true)

Daily Mail account of incident I was the "another driver":

"
The pensioner's silver Honda Jazz was captured on dashcam hurtling towards oncoming traffic on the A30 near Sherborne, Dorset, at 4.30pm on April 27.

Another driver who narrowly avoided a head-on collision but caught the footage on their dashcam reported the gentleman through Dorset Police's Operation Snap website.
"

Driver, 91, surrenders his licence after dual carriageway mishap

The pensioner's silver Honda Jazz was captured on dashcam hurtling towards oncoming traffic on the A30 near Sherborne, Dorset, at 4.30pm on April 27.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Reality: The driver was doing about 25MPH (even taking into account closing speed it wasn't hurtling) and they were well over in the other lane - never close to a head on collision - though if the drivers behind hadn't moved over in good time they would have been.

 

[Chris Wilson]

I thought you would blame the police!.

I am no legal expert but..... coming at it from another angle........ isnt there a legal precedent that if you are committing a crime, if in doing that, other unintended but potentially forseeable consequences of you committing that crime you are also held at least in part responsible for.

So, if i robbed a bank, a customer in that bank had a dicky heart, and in their panic had a heart attack and died......... i would still be found partially culpable for?

so in this case, whilst the police motorcylist maybe made a mistake whilst trying to apprehend the pedestrian, because they should not have been there, thus causing the copper to intervene, they would be liable anyway? ****


**** assuming the DM is reporting accurately and not peddling nonsense.....

This sort of thing possibly comes under secondary liability :

Secondary Liability: charging decisions on principals and accessories | The Crown Prosecution Service

www.cps.gov.uk

If the rozzers had their hearts in it this could easily be stopped, or the perpetrators lives later made such a misery the word would get round.

The government also have Draconian powers they seem unwilling to unleash.

A late friend of mine saw Mussolini hanging from a lampost, apparently such salient warnings stay with you a long time

 

[Hodders]

Global warming and climate change is going to result in so many more problems than being stuck on a motorway for 8 hours. Governments need to stop greenwashing whilst at the same time issuing licences for yet more oil and gas exploitation.

Millions (not thousands) of climate refugees moving north from uninhabitable parts of the world ruined by the countries that then refuse to allow them entry.

• Total crop failures resulting in starvation and massively escalating food prices
• Water shortages, we take safe drinking water for granted in the UK. Look back to 76 when people had stand-pipes and had to fetch water in jugs. There are more people now and less water reserves.
• The reason "No More Oil" are escalating is that the simple message "Errr, everyone, the house is on fire" just hasn't been listened to. So they have to start shouting louder and louder.

Frankly, fast forward 20 years and a couple of thousand people being held up for a few hours on a motorway will seem like the good old days.

Forget the means, but anyone that denies the importance of the message is an idiot. We simply have to act now.

I'm sure that the "kill them, hang them" brigade in this forum will all start having keyboard tantrum denials at this post, but that simply explains WHY Just Stop Oil are having to do what they are doing.

 

[jpaul]

Arrests of stop oil journalists look controversial - at what point their presence is provocateur for protestors. if a protest happens and no one films it did it happen ?
like live filming of active gunmen situations which have previously been exposed as inflaming situation (& giving them intelligence)

Charlotte Lynch, a reporter at LBC, on Tuesday became the third journalist arrested in two days by Hertfordshire constabulary while covering Just Stop Oil’s protests. Speaking on LBC on Wednesday morning, Lynch said she was arrested on suspicion of conspiracy to commit a public nuisance despite being in a public area, some distance from the protesters, and showing a valid press ID to officers.

Her arrest prompted criticism of police from the National Union of Journalists, the human rights group Liberty and a cabinet minister. “This is the second incident in as many days where the police have threatened press freedom and disregarded the right of journalists to cover protests,” said Michelle Stanistreet, general secretary of the NUJ.

“No reporter should fear being placed in a cell for doing their job, and it’s time the police take immediate action to ensure this is prevented in future. We’ve raised this directly with the national police chiefs council and the police forces involved.”

 

[Tombstone]

Global warming and climate change is going to result in so many more problems than being stuck on a motorway for 8 hours. Governments need to stop greenwashing whilst at the same time issuing licences for yet more oil and gas exploitation.

Millions (not thousands) of climate refugees moving north from uninhabitable parts of the world ruined by the countries that then refuse to allow them entry.

• Total crop failures resulting in starvation and massively escalating food prices
• Water shortages, we take safe drinking water for granted in the UK. Look back to 76 when people had stand-pipes and had to fetch water in jugs. There are more people now and less water reserves.
• The reason "No More Oil" are escalating is that the simple message "Errr, everyone, the house is on fire" just hasn't been listened to. So they have to start shouting louder and louder.

Frankly, fast forward 20 years and a couple of thousand people being held up for a few hours on a motorway will seem like the good old days.

Forget the means, but anyone that denies the importance of the message is an idiot. We simply have to act now.

I'm sure that the "kill them, hang them" brigade in this forum will all start having keyboard tantrum denials at this post, but that simply explains WHY Just Stop Oil are having to do what they are doing.

On the plus side, I'll be long gone before I suffer anything from global warming and climate change

 

[Uther]

Global warming and climate change is going to result in so many more problems than being stuck on a motorway for 8 hours. Governments need to stop greenwashing whilst at the same time issuing licences for yet more oil and gas exploitation.

Millions (not thousands) of climate refugees moving north from uninhabitable parts of the world ruined by the countries that then refuse to allow them entry.

• Total crop failures resulting in starvation and massively escalating food prices
• Water shortages, we take safe drinking water for granted in the UK. Look back to 76 when people had stand-pipes and had to fetch water in jugs. There are more people now and less water reserves.
• The reason "No More Oil" are escalating is that the simple message "Errr, everyone, the house is on fire" just hasn't been listened to. So they have to start shouting louder and louder.

Frankly, fast forward 20 years and a couple of thousand people being held up for a few hours on a motorway will seem like the good old days.

Forget the means, but anyone that denies the importance of the message is an idiot. We simply have to act now.

I'm sure that the "kill them, hang them" brigade in this forum will all start having keyboard tantrum denials at this post, but that simply explains WHY Just Stop Oil are having to do what they are doing.

Did you post that from a gantry or one handed with your other hand glued to a road somewhere? And if not, why not?

 

[jpaul]

Governments need to stop greenwashing whilst at the same time issuing licences for yet more oil and gas exploitation.

pragmatically with Ukraine/gas throttling, what else can you do ? Boris's COP27 speech said Ukraine shouldn't be conflated but that is populist BS

people would die as a consequence of lack of heat without short term alternatives, and if productivity/GDP declines there is less capability for medium term zero carbon technical solution.

If India/China are complaining about global warming they should consider their support for Russia.

 

[sidimmu]

Just Stop Oil return to the M25 AGAIN: Protester manages scales gantry

Met Commissioner Sir Mark Rowley defended the response to the environ-extremists who have shut Britain's busiest motorway for the third day running, declaring: 'We're going as quickly as we can.'

www.dailymail.co.uk

One witness told MailOnline: 'I was driving along at around 6.21am when a woman started climbing a gantry. A police officer on a motorbike swerved to try to stop her and collided with a lorry, which then crashed into another lorry. I stopped to check if the police officer was alright. They arrested the woman before she could get on to the gantry'.

Glad we cleared that up. Yes it is the mail and yes it is more than likely not 100% correct but don't be so quick to judge blame on lorry drivers.

Thank you for clearing this up, that the protestors were a distraction and have caused an incident.
@omnomnom turns out, I was completely reasonable to suggest that they had caused distractions and an incident.

 

[JonRGV250]

Global warming and climate change is going to result in so many more problems than being stuck on a motorway for 8 hours. Governments need to stop greenwashing whilst at the same time issuing licences for yet more oil and gas exploitation.

Millions (not thousands) of climate refugees moving north from uninhabitable parts of the world ruined by the countries that then refuse to allow them entry.

• Total crop failures resulting in starvation and massively escalating food prices
• Water shortages, we take safe drinking water for granted in the UK. Look back to 76 when people had stand-pipes and had to fetch water in jugs. There are more people now and less water reserves.
• The reason "No More Oil" are escalating is that the simple message "Errr, everyone, the house is on fire" just hasn't been listened to. So they have to start shouting louder and louder.

Frankly, fast forward 20 years and a couple of thousand people being held up for a few hours on a motorway will seem like the good old days.

Forget the means, but anyone that denies the importance of the message is an idiot. We simply have to act now.

I'm sure that the "kill them, hang them" brigade in this forum will all start having keyboard tantrum denials at this post, but that simply explains WHY Just Stop Oil are having to do what they are doing.

Ok Roger Hallam.
Oh, and enjoy your stay at Wandsworth.
I’m sure the lags will be ever so interested in your eco mentalism.

 

[sidimmu]

Global warming and climate change is going to result in so many more problems than being stuck on a motorway for 8 hours. Governments need to stop greenwashing whilst at the same time issuing licences for yet more oil and gas exploitation.

Millions (not thousands) of climate refugees moving north from uninhabitable parts of the world ruined by the countries that then refuse to allow them entry.

• Total crop failures resulting in starvation and massively escalating food prices
• Water shortages, we take safe drinking water for granted in the UK. Look back to 76 when people had stand-pipes and had to fetch water in jugs. There are more people now and less water reserves.
• The reason "No More Oil" are escalating is that the simple message "Errr, everyone, the house is on fire" just hasn't been listened to. So they have to start shouting louder and louder.

Frankly, fast forward 20 years and a couple of thousand people being held up for a few hours on a motorway will seem like the good old days.

Forget the means, but anyone that denies the importance of the message is an idiot. We simply have to act now.

I'm sure that the "kill them, hang them" brigade in this forum will all start having keyboard tantrum denials at this post, but that simply explains WHY Just Stop Oil are having to do what they are doing.

So are you saying you are happy and agree with their methods of protest?

 

[dowie]

Global warming and climate change is going to result in so many more problems than being stuck on a motorway for 8 hours. Governments need to stop greenwashing whilst at the same time issuing licences for yet more oil and gas exploitation.

Can you answer why? If the goal is just to stop new oil licensing in the UK then what does that achieve? People will still use oil and gas, we'll just import more of it.

Essentially why is importing it from Nigeria, Saudi, Iran etc.. better for the environment than exploration and extraction in the North Sea?

 

[Tom_ed1987]

Can you answer why? If the goal is just to stop new oil licensing in the UK then what does that achieve? People will still use oil and gas, we'll just import more of it.

Essentially why is importing it from Nigeria, Saudi, Iran etc.. better for the environment than exploration and extraction in the North Sea?

Have a read of the Just Stop (new) Oil website, it clarifies nothing.

 

[omnomnom]

Thank you for clearing this up, that the protestors were a distraction and have caused an incident.
@omnomnom turns out, I was completely reasonable to suggest that they had caused distractions and an incident.

If you dont know you shouldnt point it out as a fact which is what i was replying to but fair play by using the Daily Mail and their "trust me bro" source.

 

[UberTiger]

Shocking abuse of power arresting multiple members of the press filming from a distance on a public walkway

https://twitter.com/x/status/1589838847642243072

TThis video is worth a watch too, the LBC journalist recounts her arrest and detainment, absolutely appalling.

LBC journalist arrested, handcuffed and held for 7 hours for covering Just Stop Oil protest | LBC

LBC Reporter Charlotte Lynch recounts her experience of being arrested, searched and thrown in a cell by police for covering an eco-protest. This video clip is from an LBC show presented by Nick Ferrari on 09/11/22. Listen to the full show on Global Player: https://l-bc.co/ListenNow...

www.ultimedia.com

Full article:

'She shouldn't be arrested for doing her job': Minister blasts cops who nicked LBC reporter covering Just Stop Oil

A minister has hit out at police for arresting LBC reporter Charlotte Lynch as she covered Just Stop Oil protests yesterday.

www.lbc.co.uk

 

[jpaul]

If you explore and extract from new UK fields, carbon cost can obviously be more than exploiting existing Nigeria/saudi fields,
similar to LNG which has additional cost from the compression stage

 

[jpaul]

e:

Shocking abuse of power arresting multiple members of the press filming from a distance on a public walkway

The video after the text She was released with no further action after five hours, at around 3pm.

Not necesarily

Arrests of stop oil journalists look controversial - at what point their presence is provocateur for protestors. if a protest happens and no one films it did it happen ?
like live filming of active gunmen situations which have previously been exposed as inflaming situation (& giving them intelligence)