"Just stop oil"

hurfdurf said:
Hell, I’d happily partake with some of my more regular haters in a charity boxing match if the kind people of GD put together £1000. Winner picks the charity.
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Not sure I see the point in you doing that though. I mean, I'm not sure what that actually shows, if its to show that person A is able to beat up person B (which in itself is such a stupid thing anyway as physically beating someone up doesnt show them to be the better person, indeed it could be argued that it shows the opposite, surely its better to best someone with intellect than just flexing the neanderthal and hulk smash) , then just arrange to beat someone up, no need for it to be under the guise of a charity boxing match. If its to do something to raise money for charity, just donate the £1000 to charity, doesnt need to be an event in order to donate to charity.

Just not sure what the point of it is, what its aim is. I know we're a bit of a mix of people on here but you'd think we'd be capable of raising a grand for charity, if so inclined, without needing to have someone punch someone else in the face for it
 
hurfdurf said:
You think assault on sex workers is merely whinging and not a serious problem?

How about you take up the offer and find out?
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It take assaults against thoose who may be weak and vulnerable, on account of their positions in society, very seriously.

But that doesn't mean that I place the same emphasis on threats from them.

I also don't make arrangements to fight randoms of the internet.

I prefer to try and make logical arguments based on facts.
 
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bigmike20vt said:
it is easy to say that when it's not you it will effect
you may not be wrong. I can't say I am that optimistic long term, ultimately the entire UK emmisions are a rounding error compared to other countries
but... I am guessing you don't have kids (no offence meant if I am wrong).
for me I am not really doing anything I do to save the planet long term (tho if it helps that is gravy)... but even if disaster is inevitable perhaps changes now will put off the worst effects long enough so my 7 year old gets to enjoy his life.
my future grand kids however..... well I am 47 and not in great shape so chances are that will be for my lads generation to try to delay a bit more.
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@bigmike20vt You're right, I don't have kids and this evidently shows via my opinion on the subject.

I do feel for the people who have to live with the consequences, but I guess that I just see it from a logical viewpoint rather than an emotional one.
 
adidan said:
Irrespective of the cause, I find jailing people for non-violent protest somewhat disturbing. A bit Putinesque.
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ahhh come on that is nonsense. how can you compare getting locked up for calling the Russian "special operation" a war that you disagree with with climbing bridges which cause 100,000s worth of damages, cause people many hrs of stress and wasted time and risk lives.

in practice however it is made more difficult due to chronic underfunding and a lack of spaces in jail..... but non violent crime should absolutely carry a risk of prison.
 
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bigmike20vt said:
ahhh come on that is nonsense. how can you compare getting locked up for calling the Russian "special operation" a war that you disagree with with climbing bridges which cause 100,000s worth of damages, cause people many hrs of stress and wasted time and risk lives.
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I'm not comparing them. They've been getting locked up fo protesting the 'wrong' things for a long time.
 
Just Stop Oil could make more progress lobbying China, India, and other high emissions countries to cut them by 1%.

The reality is if the UK had 0% emissions then by these groups own view the earth would still be doomed.
 
BowdonUK said:
Just Stop Oil could make more progress lobbying China, India, and other high emissions countries to cut them by 1%.

The reality is if the UK had 0% emissions then by these groups own view the earth would still be doomed.
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Do you honestly believe that the Chinese leadership give a flying fig what Just Stop Oil has to say? Or, well, anyone, for that matter?

I'm not a fan of their methods (JSO), but I suspect you'll have better success changing govt policy in places like the UK/Europe, and then once you've established green agendas in those places, you can use the collective bargaining power they have to put pressure on govts like China/India. Who may still end up not giving too much a fig even then.
 
best way to get china to take note is to stop buying all their useless junk.
we could still buy all their good stuff, needs must and all that and they do make damn fine cars, but I mean all the plastic tat which is 99p in places like home bargains and what not.
 
If those countries moved to nuclear power more then they wouldn't need to rely on fossil fuels. Doesn't China import a lot of coal from Australia?

I think India would have a better chance of increasing nuclear power, then gradually close their fossil fuel sources.
 
bigmike20vt said:
best way to get china to take note is to stop buying all their useless junk.
we could still buy all their good stuff, needs must and all that and they do make damn fine cars, but I mean all the plastic tat which is 99p in places like home bargains and what not.
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Off-topic, but in any case I'm not sure that's the consumer's fault, tbh.

Stuff will be made in China so long as it's cheaper to be made in China. It doesn't matter if it's 99p tat or a top-of-the-range bit of kit costing £10,000. If China can make it cheaper than the local workforce, they gets the contract.

That's on western businesses, that is. They choose, and keep choosing, to make everything in China. For greater profits.

And also that we've been outsourcing for so long, we've pretty much lost the capacity to do it ourselves, anyhow.
 
bigmike20vt said:
ok so answer this.
how is gluing yourself to a road or climbing into a bridge going to achieve their goal?

let's imagine you have some hard right anti global warming Tory or reform UK voter in a car coming home from work.
how is getting them stuck in traffic for 5 hrs going to get them onside and considering voting green?
or someone on the train , already being inconvenienced over using their car and paying more to boot

I reckon the opposite is true, if anything a swing voter who was considering voting green may actually whilst sitting their in the queue thing ... you know what, If going green means being associated with this lot, I am not going to risk helping them make policy after all!.... and maybe that person on the train will decide tomorrow they will just drive.

as I said... I am far from perfect but I am trying to reduce our consumption. we have insulated the house as best we can, have solar and a batter so avoid peak energy use,. when the time comes to change the car I am committed to getting the most efficient one I can (pure electric for one the other will be a harder sell - a pure EV with the range we need for the family car is significantly more than I have ever considered paying for a car before)

there is more I could do, more I should do..... but nothing these people are doing at the moment will encourage me.... and if it won't encourage me, someone basically sympathetic to the cause, it isn't going to win over those who are already cynical.
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They are raising awareness they are generating noise and they are getting air time they otherwise wouldn’t that’s the entire point of disruptive protest. Just stop oil and extinction rebellion get air time they wouldn’t get in any other way that is the point of protest. Agree with them or not it is effective.
 
@FoxEye (I forgot to quote)

I think we should stop buying useless tat like that full stop. I don't blame china for making it if companies approach them to do it.. But so much plastic and for what? I would say this is exactly on topic for this thread tbh.
we do need plastic for some stuff but imo we (by we I mean consumers all over the world ) need to think if that crap which kids will use once then throw in the bin is really worth the cost....

(I am just as bad btw .. I look at my lads tat box and it's just full of utter junk).
 
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BowdonUK said:
If this isn't cult-like behaviour then nothing is;

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Is Boris in one of the outfits? He said he'd lay down in front of the bulldozers.

 
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