Schumacher had a contract on the table, Massa was the one to be pushed aside... Still Ferrari never paid MS to go away did they, it was a natural change, not like Kimi who was sacked mid contract and paid to go far far away.
Kimi Raikkonen to Renault
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Schumacher had a contract on the table, Massa was the one to be pushed aside... Still Ferrari never paid MS to go away did they, it was a natural change, not like Kimi who was sacked mid contract and paid to go far far away.
Not sure why we are really getting into this, my original point was that Kimi wasnt performing anywhere near his abilities in his last season why is why Ferrari got rid of him...
For anyone to say he did an average performance Id like them to compare his performance to his team mate at the time, someone weve grown to ridicule today...
ps3ud0
Schumacher had a contract that would have removed his number 1 status at the team. He did not want to take that, so left.
Either way, Ferrari managed to get what they wanted in each case.
Its a perfectly fair point... However it had absolutely no effect on him leaving Ferrari. He was pushed out of Ferrari to make way for Alonso. His performance in 2009 had absolutely nothing to do with it, average, below average, or otherwise.
Either way, Ferrari managed to get what they wanted in each case.
Not sure why we are really getting into this, my original point was that Kimi wasnt performing anywhere near his abilities in his last season why is why Ferrari got rid of him...
For anyone to say he did an average performance Id like them to compare his performance to his team mate at the time, someone weve grown to ridicule today...
ps3ud0
Its a perfectly fair point... However it had absolutely no effect on him leaving Ferrari. He was pushed out of Ferrari to make way for Alonso. His performance in 2009 had absolutely nothing to do with it, average, below average, or otherwise.
It's been well reported that elements within Ferrari wanted Kimi, whether MS stayed or not was up to him but Kimi was coming. MS and Brawn where not happy with this an they effectively pushed MS out, MS had his hand forced and announced his retirement.
There was no way he was about to go head to head with Kimi. On reflection he probably should have. MS would have stayed on but he wasn't about to go head to head with someone so highly rated at the time. He preffered to hand pick his fights.
Caporegime
Great stuff indeed. I'm glad he went to Renault in the end; while it would have been nice for Williams I just can't see them delivering a worthwhile car next season. Hopefully Renault can drag their car up to contention status next year.
And, hopefully, Kimi can find the passion he was lacking in 2008/9.
I dont think it is at all, if Kimi had been performing well he would have stayed as Ferrari wouldnt have needed to look elsewhere; especially looking at the efforts to get him there in the first place and that he has procided them with a WDC two years earlier too...
ps3ud0
Alonso was effectively signed to Ferrari by the end of the 2007 season... He was always coming, and Ferrari were never going to have 2 top drivers.
I wouldn't be surprised to find things were actually the other way around. Knowing he was being turfed out at the end of the year could have contributed to his lacklustre 2009...
I wouldn't be surprised to find things were actually the other way around. Knowing he was being turfed out at the end of the year could have contributed to his lacklustre 2009...
Soldato
So why did they let him loose from a contract and pay him tens of millions to leave their team if they were wholly impressed by Kimi in 2009? Having Alonso in the wings doesnt really account for all that...
Im sorry but he just never showed his brillance too often in that season and Ferrari just ended up being fed up for a driver that just showed no commitment or drive...
Just have a look at the comments here - hes well known for being brillant on his day, but that depends if the ice-cream is flowing or not or if he needs a whizz
EDIT: For goodness sake, he was being outscored by Massa until he had his accident - above average performance, no chance...
ps3ud0
Lol yet it's been common knowledge that the mechanics were amazed at the performance he was eking out of the car at the time.
If i had a working broadband connection i'd search out the quotes for you.
I think I was trying to make that as my point originally - not sure why we needed this tangent - its not like its new news
Knock your socks off - its well known that Ferrari management listen to their mechanics when it comes to driver changes
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He was on a option for 2011, Kimi's also extended his deal to 2010, but when Kimi let himself down they made it happen sooner.
Ferrari wanted MS and Kimi in 2007, so again what you say is not really the truth but oh well
It was reported in one magazine, a magazine that had to close down as they could not afford to pay all the libel cases they had lost, which says a lot
The real truth is MS told Todt he was wanting to retire after the 3rd race of the season, Todt pleaded with him to reconsider so MS did, he had a offer on the table for 2007 but he decided to retire, he was not pushed or forced he made his own decision. Michael also told how he had offers from the other top teams to drive for them, he declined. If he was pushed by Ferrari then why would he retire when he could have went to another team and shown Ferrari how stupid they were, makes no sense.
MS would have destroyed Kimi at Ferrari and everyone knows it
and no way was he afraid to go up against Kimi that is just silly.
It was reported in one magazine, a magazine that had to close down as they could not afford to pay all the libel cases they had lost, which says a lot
The real truth is MS told Todt he was wanting to retire after the 3rd race of the season, Todt pleaded with him to reconsider so MS did, he had a offer on the table for 2007 but he decided to retire, he was not pushed or forced he made his own decision. Michael also told how he had offers from the other top teams to drive for them, he declined. If he was pushed by Ferrari then why would he retire when he could have went to another team and shown Ferrari how stupid they were, makes no sense.
MS would have destroyed Kimi at Ferrari and everyone knows it
I read it in far more than one F1 publication, he was pushed. They knew he would never go head to head with another highly rated driver. Which other top teams could he have gone to and not been paired with a top driver?
He retired because he didn't want to risk his reputation against a real threat. Now I'm sure Brawn and Todt didn't want him to quit but others in the team most certainly did and didn't want him as a undisputed no1 anymore. Funnily enough neither of those two are still at the team either.
Soldato
Now I remember where I heard this story before - back in September last year.
I guess that year's silly season was right on the money.
I guess that year's silly season was right on the money.
I'd also question the desire of someone who says he hasn't really watched any F1 the last few years but watched the last 20 laps of the brazilian gp when he knew it would happen.
Yet he says he has a burning desire to get back involved. Or was the money right and other options so limited?
Yet he says he has a burning desire to get back involved. Or was the money right and other options so limited?
Racing and watching are two different things. I think F1 can be a little boring sometimes let alone someone that is used to traveling wheel to wheel at 200mph or more recently travelling fast on dirt with trees either side of you.
I don't watch NASCAR but i'd be on top of the world if for some reason i was offered a drive.
I'm sure people forget he is a Formula 1 World Champion.
Man of Honour
And many times a close runner up, hes a great driver. I eagerly await to see what kind of package Lotus Renault can provide him.
Ferrari wanted MS and Kimi in 2007, so again what you say is not really the truth but oh well
God your annoying.
I said that Schumacher had a contract for 2007. They offered him one to partner Kimi, but the key point was that he wouldn't be the outright number 1. This effectively pushed Schumacher out, even if the final decision was with him.
Stop deliberately missreading what people say to try to start arguments, its getting tedious.
I am annoying because I have to keep correcting your comments? ok then
it's more annoying that you post without checking the facts. You said Ferrari are a 1 driver team and would never have 2 top drivers. You made no mention of this key point until now so how can you suddenly say I am annoying for missing something you never said? poor stuff really to resort to that.Just because my opinion is different to yours does not mean I am causing a argument either, maybe we should all just agree with you then there will be no debate at all, which seems to be what you really want. If you really don't want to debate and share opinions then maybe you should not post rather than trying to derail it with an attack on me, just an idea.
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