Kimi Raikkonen to Renault

Skeeter said:
How can you correct my comments when it appears you don't even understand them in the first place?
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I was replying to you saying Ferrari are a 1 driver team, and would never have 2 top drivers, fact is they did want that with MS and Kimi.

You then post after me and elaborate your point to clear no1, you never said that when I replied, so stop being silly and trying to cause a problem, you made no mention of no1 role when I replied did you, so how am I to guess what you really mean.

I really don't know why you have such a problem with my opinions on here :(
 
Fantastic to see him back.
Shame it's with a team that I really want to see fall backwards next year.

Will be interesting to see how he does.

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Will also be interesting to find out how much Group Lotus had to dig into their loans to pay for him too. ;)
 
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Mr Men said:
I was replying to you saying Ferrari are a 1 driver team, and would never have 2 top drivers, fact is they did want that with MS and Kimi.

You then post after me and elaborate your point to clear no1, you never said that when I replied, so stop being silly and trying to cause a problem, you made no mention of no1 role when I replied did you, so how am I to guess what you really mean.

I really don't know why you have such a problem with my opinions on here :(
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The 1st driver policy at Ferrari is well known, and well documented. As was the fact that the 2007+ contract Schumacher was offered did not put him in the 1st driver role.

Wether you selectively 'forget' these well known snippets of key information is up to you, but don't start trying to portray it as me somehow picking on you when you keep posting stupid things with the obvious aim of stirring an argument..
 
Skeeter said:
The 1st driver policy at Ferrari is well known, and well documented. As was the fact that the 2007+ contract Schumacher was offered did not put him in the 1st driver role.

Wether you selectively 'forget' these well known snippets of key information is up to you, but don't start trying to portray it as me somehow picking on you when you keep posting stupid things with the obvious aim of stirring an argument..
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Again you make no mention of the no1 role until now, would like a source for that fact though just for my own memory bank if possible since its widely known :) How on earth did I post something stupid when only now have you elaborated, please just admit your point was not made clear in the slightest and you made no mention of no1 roles or anything of the sort, you are trying to make out I misread something you NEVER said, poor very poor.

Still having MS and Kimi would be having 2 top drivers at Ferrari, regardless of the contract role. Also to note Rubens never had a no2 contract, Irvine did.
 
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Skeeter said:
Are you seriously suggesting that you weren't aware that Ferrari operate a first driver policy until just now?
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I would like you to show me the contract MS had on offer for 2007.

MS and Kimi would be 2 top drivers, regardless of the contracts, correct?
 
So I will assume you weren't aware of the 1st driver policy then?

In the contract Schumacher was offered, Kimi was the 1st driver.
 
dannyjo22 said:
I read it in far more than one F1 publication, he was pushed. They knew he would never go head to head with another highly rated driver. Which other top teams could he have gone to and not been paired with a top driver?

He retired because he didn't want to risk his reputation against a real threat. Now I'm sure Brawn and Todt didn't want him to quit but others in the team most certainly did and didn't want him as a undisputed no1 anymore. Funnily enough neither of those two are still at the team either.
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what a bunch of rubbish..

schumacher would have dominated anyone at that team in a car that was designed around him and you know it, weve all heard people saying how schumachers care were undrivable for them

So I will assume you weren't aware of the 1st driver policy then?

In the contract Schumacher was offered, Kimi was the 1st driver.
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what contract? the one someone made up in there head...

the tifosi would never have allowed ferrari to tell schumacher to move over and they would have hated ferrari if they tried to make schumacher a no2..

it would go down well at monza with all the tifosi booing ferrari im sure , maybe you forget how much schumacher was loved by them back then even now he still gets a lot of love when hes at monza
 
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Skeeter said:
So I will assume you weren't aware of the 1st driver policy then?

In the contract Schumacher was offered, Kimi was the 1st driver.
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Schumacher moved for Eddie, Schumacher moved for Rubens, I am aware Eddie had a no2 contract yes, I am also aware Ferrari operated a no racing after the last pitstops with MS and Rubens (something MS ignored at Monaco meaning Rubens left)

I am however not aware of what Ferrari offered MS and Kimi in 2007 in terms of team status, so if you can link me the widely known source then that would be great, also did they change the Kimi contract when MS retired as he certainly was not no1 with Felipe. Quite a bold statement you have made saying Kimi was to be no1 with MS as no2, would really love to see the evidence as it would be mighty news even now.
 
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arknor said:
what a bunch of rubbish..

schumacher would have dominated anyone at that team in a car that was designed around him and you know it, weve all heard people saying how schumachers care were undrivable for them
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Impossible to prove either way, two years ago people said the same about Lewis when Button joined, they said Lewis was a lamb to the slaughter with Alonso and said Rosberg would get bummed by MS at Merc.

arknor said:
the tifosi would never have allowed ferrari to tell schumacher to move over and they would have hated ferrari if they tried to make schumacher a no2..

it would go down well at monza with all the tifosi booing ferrari im sure , maybe you forget how much schumacher was loved by them back then even now he still gets a lot of love when hes at monza
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Oh come on now, selective memory or what. The same tifosi that never took to him at all, they tolerated him. They wanted him thrown out of the team in 97 after running JV off the road. The year he delivers the first title for 20 years they vote JV driver of the year in the italian f1 racing magazine.

They hated him conducting their national anthem and then "standing like a stormtrooper" during his own national anthem. The italian press and tifosi took that as an insult.

He got mountains of stick in the italian press when rubens had to move over or when he cheated at Monaco. They tolerated him but far from loved the guy. Now Alesi was adored and still does get near top of polls on the favourite driver because he's a straight up nice passionate guy, regardless of never achieveing anything like MS's success.

Anyway this thread is about Kimi not a cheat.
 
The Tifosi never took to MS? did you ever go to Monza? deary me he was loved by the Tifosi, and it was one politician that had a problem with him conducting the anthem, the press had no problem with him doing it at all, what a lot of made up bitterness :) Even this year at Monza MS was given a hero's reception, the tifosi never took to him LOL.

dannyjo22 said:
The year he delivers the first title for 20 years they vote JV driver of the year in the italian f1 racing magazine.
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haha seriously you have made that up
 
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This is great news - I'm glad he's back. The Lotus-Renault should be at least competitive with the Merc, so even if we have Vettel, Button, Alonso and Hamilton on the podiums, we could have some great fights between Schumacher and Kimi again!

I just hope the cars are close enough so it's the driver that makes the difference between whether it's a RedBull, McLarens, Ferrari, Merc of even Lotus-Renault on the top step of the podium.
 
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Conspiracy Theory #1:

MS was offered a contract for 2007, but with Kimi as team-mate and removal of de facto #1 status in team. MS baulks at this and retires instead.

Conspiracy Theory #2:

MS was offered a contract for 2007, but with Kimi as team-mate and removal of de facto #1 status in team. MS has developed a good working relationship with Massa, whom he has 'taken under his wing' and guided to his first career victories after indifferent years at Sauber. MS sees potential in Massa, sees that Massa will lose his seat if he stays on and does a kind of 'Well, I've had my time, go on lad...' kind of thing and honourably retires.

Conspiracy Theory #3:

Kimi doesn't want Alonso as his team mate; cries so much that Ferrari pay him off to get rid, rather than just firing under a dubious technicality, as a 'thank you' for the 2007 title.

I love this game :D

To those saying that Kimi was well-outperformed by Massa in 2009 don't forget; Kimi had shown indifferent form already in 2008 - why was it Massa that was up against Hamilton? Massa was driving near his peak; it was pre-Hungary accident and he was HIGHLY motivated after his perceived injustice the previous year.

I've always been a bit ambivalent about Kimi; to me, he could have won in 2003 and more definitely in 2005, although that was more down to the quality and reliablity (or lack of) of the machinery he was given. As others have said, on his day he was untouchable, but often lacked motivation. In some ways there are similarities to Montoya...
 
ps3ud0 said:
That was epic fail more than just average, hes got high standards and when hes off them hes nowhere near and just goes to the other side of the spectrum IMHO. In that season he had some rare awesome drives, but a lot of the time he was nowhere...

I think thats far more his temperament than other F1 drivers who may try to avoid the lull in performance to at least get average, Ive never got that impression that Kimi even did that when hes not on it...

ps3ud0 :cool:
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According to wiki he had some really decent results in mid season (including a win at Spa and 2nd in Hungary. Early season wasnt helped by a bad car, some bad tactical decisions didnt help either. It sounds like he knew he didnt have a Ferrari drive for 2010 during late 2009 season, but I think its a little harsh to say its epic fail....just my opinion mind :)

contract situation probably didnt help his latter performances (knowing he was being ousted for Alonso)
 
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