Laura Trevelyan

NVP · 28 Apr 2023 at 23:34

...on the other side of the world. It is possibly the main reason India has the largest diaspora of any nation.

Dis86 · 28 Apr 2023 at 23:36

NVP said:
...on the other side of the world. It is possibly the main reason India has the largest diaspora of any nation.

And yet that has afforded millions of Indians and their descendants lives far beyond what they would have had if they'd remained in India.

NVP · 28 Apr 2023 at 23:39

Bold claim.

e: if we're rewinding all the way pre colonisation, and not just pre-indenture.

Dis86 · 28 Apr 2023 at 23:41

NVP said:
Bold claim.

Not really. Look at the living standards of the average Indian in India vs the average Indian in say the UK or USA.
Given that Indians in both of those countries tend to fall in to the top brackets for average earnings and education I'd say its well supported.

NVP · 28 Apr 2023 at 23:47

I edited with clarification.

Mrwong · 29 Apr 2023 at 00:27

Efour said:
I'll speak to my wife and get you an IKEA voucher. That ok?

Ill take one as down payment. :cry:

CapitalOne · 29 Apr 2023 at 05:54

malachi said:
Stupid people always seek to get free handouts from the government. These are the same people who achieve zero in life, best to ignore them.

That is no way to talk about MrWong!

ANDREW GREEN · 29 Apr 2023 at 06:37

Mrwong said:
Bell Ribeiro-Addy she went to Queen Mary, University of London direct links to slave trade. She benefited from this country, would she give back her wealth or 50% of it?

She's also of Ghanian descent. Why isn't she asking for Ghanians to pay repairations? Maybe because they'd laugh at her

I want to vote Labour and punish Tory corruption but having people like her in power could be very damaging

ANDREW GREEN · 29 Apr 2023 at 06:42

NVP said:
I understood your imaginary perspective. Indian MP's and activists have been pushing this for many, many years - not simply as a ruse to power like you suggest may occur.

Excuse me?

That doesn't make it right given the many different people who have occupied India, this is worth a watch for some history on the topic

Efour · 29 Apr 2023 at 07:20

Do you actually believe this NVP or are you just an devil's advocate/ trolll like me most of the time?

CapitalOne · 29 Apr 2023 at 07:31

Tories, what happened to your burning desire for freedom? This all sounds like you worry that letting people do what they want with their money is somehow dangerous…..

ANDREW GREEN · 29 Apr 2023 at 07:52

CapitalOne said:
Tories, what happened to your burning desire for freedom? This all sounds like you worry that letting people do what they want with their money is somehow dangerous…..

No one is complaining about her doing what she wants with her money. It's the fact she wants the tax payer to pay excessively more

CapitalOne · 29 Apr 2023 at 07:55

ANDREW GREEN said:
No one is complaining about her doing what she wants with her money. It's the fact she wants the tax payer to pay excessively more

Freedom of thought.

Think of it as a foreign aid play if that helps.

Junglist · 29 Apr 2023 at 08:21

Orangeade said:
Are you black?

I am, yes. Though what does that have to do with what I said? Does the colour of my skin make my opinion any less valid on this subject? Odd question to ask.

Semple said:
Frankly she needs to put her money where her mouth is. If she had already donated her family's wealth to whichever country her family's slaves came from, then she might be in a better position to plead to the government to pay reparations. But as is always the case, expecting the taxpayer to foot the bill.

The whole reparations thing really needs to be stamped out. Yes we shouldn't forget the history, and certainly learn from it. But you cannot expect the current taxpayers (whom probably 95%+ of wouldn't have any links to slavery) to pay for this. If there is insistence on paying reparations then it should come from the very wealthy families in this country who have been traced back to owning slaves - that would also include the Royal family.

I wouldn't expect the money to come from tax payers. I don't exactly have a plan of how it should be carried out or even if it should be carried out. I just have respect for someone who wants to attempt to do their part in resolving something that they didn't directly do. Perhaps her family benefitted from it but she didn't have to do anything but she chose to do something and I respect that.

It's like people who clean up a dirty beach despite them not being the ones to create the mess. I respect the effort.

Brazo · 29 Apr 2023 at 09:02

Actual definition of stupidity in the Oxford dictionary is paying money for something you did not do to people you did not harm nor have suffered harm themselves.

Mrwong · 29 Apr 2023 at 09:05

Junglist said:
I am, yes. Though what does that have to do with what I said? Does the colour of my skin make my opinion any less valid on this subject? Odd question to ask.

I wouldn't expect the money to come from tax payers. I don't exactly have a plan of how it should be carried out or even if it should be carried out. I just have respect for someone who wants to attempt to do their part in resolving something that they didn't directly do. Perhaps her family benefitted from it but she didn't have to do anything but she chose to do something and I respect that.

It's like people who clean up a dirty beach despite them not being the ones to create the mess. I respect the effort.

Should the North Africans pay up to the Spanish's for 8 centuries , or should the Muslims pay up for? should the Italian's pay up for the Romans, or should the Ottoman Empire pay back east Europe or Persians pay for their invasions and slavery ?
I think the Spanish and Portuguese have one of the biggest claims in the world. Imagine 7 to 8 centuries of control slavery by another race and religion. Should the 500 years of Mossi Kingdoms or Mutapa kingdom pay other African countries, should the Mogal Empire pay up. This list is endless.

Do you see were we are going with this.

Why is it just the West they are attacking. Is it because that the west have acknowledge their past and now are being guilt tripped by others, who refuse to acknowledge their past or even worse have not acknowledge of their own past history aggression?
Africa Asia have had their evil past as well, why are the Europeans being pointed out but other continents natives not?

NVP · 29 Apr 2023 at 09:10

ANDREW GREEN said:
this is worth a watch for some history on the topic

Thanks, however I'm already quite knowledgeable of Indian history

also that tiktok video he is commenting on is very annoying, comes across as an ignorant attention-seeker. Not really debate worthy content.

Efour said:
Do you actually believe this NVP or are you just an devil's advocate/ trolll like me most of the time?

Which part? Generally I'm just a troll, but occasionally the subject matter intrigues me enough to form opinion

Junglist · 29 Apr 2023 at 09:18

Mrwong said:
Should the North Africans pay up to the Spanish's for 8 centuries , or should the Muslims pay up for? should the Italian's pay up for the Romans, or should the Ottoman Empire pay back east Europe or Persians? I think the Spanish and Portuguese have one of the biggest claims in the world. Imagine 7 to 8 centuries of control slavery by another race and religion. should the 500 years of Mossi Kingdoms or Mutapa kingdom pay other African countries, should the Mogal Empire.

Do you see were we are going with this.

Why is it just the West they are attacking. Is it because that the west have acknowledge their past and now are being guilt tripped buy others, who refuse to acknowledge their past or even worse have not acknowledge of their own past history aggression?
Africa Asia have had their evil past as well, why are the Europeans being pointed out but other continents natives not?

You're having an argument with me about something I'm not even discussing. I'm not saying anyone should be forced to pay. I just simply respect an individuals desire to do what they think is right and rather than just saying what people should do without doing anything, they've taken it upon themselves to do something about it.

That's all I said. You don't need to get defensive with me with 'what abouts'. I'm not calling for anyone to be forced to do something, I'm just simply respecting an individuals effort.

Dis86 · 29 Apr 2023 at 09:32

Junglist said:
I am, yes. Though what does that have to do with what I said? Does the colour of my skin make my opinion any less valid on this subject? Odd question to ask.

I wouldn't expect the money to come from tax payers. I don't exactly have a plan of how it should be carried out or even if it should be carried out. I just have respect for someone who wants to attempt to do their part in resolving something that they didn't directly do. Perhaps her family benefitted from it but she didn't have to do anything but she chose to do something and I respect that.

It's like people who clean up a dirty beach despite them not being the ones to create the mess. I respect the effort.

But a dirty beach impacts us now. What happened 2, 3, 4 or even 500 years ago to someone else doesn't.

Mrwong · 29 Apr 2023 at 09:34

Junglist said:
You're having an argument with me about something I'm not even discussing. I'm not saying anyone should be forced to pay. I just simply respect an individuals desire to do what they think is right and rather than just saying what people should do without doing anything, they've taken it upon themselves to do something about it.

That's all I said. You don't need to get defensive with me with 'what abouts'. I'm not calling for anyone to be forced to do something, I'm just simply respecting an individuals efforti

I am not having an argument with you, I have had enough of these people trying to make other feel guilty of something they have not done. I wonder if she would pay the poor British as well, I am sure her family treated the poor British just as bad.

I am sick of hearing of white people are bad, and when I point out that other races are just as bad. I am blocked to counter their attacks, I cannot say what needs to be said because I am from the UK and really I don't have as much freedom of speech like many others. I should absorb the attacks which btw does not work we me.

I give you an example at the gym in the sauna I heard white people cant run, they all laughed. I turned around and said Black people cant swim swim, or east Asians have highest IQs and lack the physical power, we are all different and have our own racial superpowers, it went quite.

We are all different and all have our weaknesses and strengths, that is what makes us different and we are designed like that for a reason. Its seems to me that white people are not allowed to talk about their own superpowers and are made to feel being white is sub standard (That is racial gaslighting by other races).

When I dated a hot black girl from NYU, the amount of abuse we got was pretty bad, specially from guys from her own race.