LG 42-inch OLED
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Amazed that a PC calibration wouldnt fix it. So Calman Home for LG software would be a waste of time as well then?
LG OLED TV Calibration Guide - AutoCal and Hardware Calibration - TFTCentral
Guide on how to calibrate your LG OLED TV properly. Featuring a walk through of everything you will need, inc AutoCal for LG from Calman
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Seems simple enough. Will take a few hours as you have to calibrate each setting for sdr and hdr.
@Baddass ANy comment on this as to whether calibration at home via PC will solve the black crush?
That window right behind you on sunny days is going to be damn annoying!!!!!!!!!!LG C42and wall mount
Please excuse the mess
For some reason I haven't really noticed the reflections, I think it's because I usually have the ceiling light on and the blinds never really open
Amazed that a PC calibration wouldnt fix it. So Calman Home for LG software would be a waste of time as well then?
LG OLED TV Calibration Guide - AutoCal and Hardware Calibration - TFTCentral
Guide on how to calibrate your LG OLED TV properly. Featuring a walk through of everything you will need, inc AutoCal for LG from Calman
Seems simple enough. Will take a few hours as you have to calibrate each setting for sdr and hdr.
@Baddass ANy comment on this as to whether calibration at home via PC will solve the black crush?
Yeah the calibrators often use Calman home to fix the black crush, colours and everything else so yeah it should help or fix the black crush or any other issues with picture inaccuracy.
tftcentral has a dedicated section on the shadow detail to improve and fix this too.
Still its not as easy as following a great guide, there is a learning curve involved with calibration, you also need a good meter, need the Lg calman software, no internal patterns included on the C2/G2 series so you need to build I believe a Pi based computer with those patterns so you are looking
at roughly £400-500 already. Oh and the meter you buy won't be as accurate during calibration since it really should be profiled with I believe a spectro which cost 8k or something insane like that.
You may not need the last bit but according to few calibrators it really makes the difference for accuracy, either way you might start looking at hiring a professional calibrator after all that. I do oddly reckon if you can and have the time and funds its great to learn and do, something I may do in the future.
Cheaper elsewhere Hughes has it for £759 with a 5 year warranty plus a free pair of LG wireless earbuds "worth £100" . You should be able to get £20 for them.
Oh reading TFTs guide I thought the test patterns were built in the C2? I already have a meter as I calibrate all my monitors monthly anyway.
Just surprised that the black crush can only be supposedly resolved by TV LUT calibration and not just the PC calibration.
£100 off in Costco now
Prices are going down so fast it’s actually putting me off buying lol
Amazed that a PC calibration wouldnt fix it. So Calman Home for LG software would be a waste of time as well then?
LG OLED TV Calibration Guide - AutoCal and Hardware Calibration - TFTCentral
Guide on how to calibrate your LG OLED TV properly. Featuring a walk through of everything you will need, inc AutoCal for LG from Calman
Seems simple enough. Will take a few hours as you have to calibrate each setting for sdr and hdr.
@Baddass ANy comment on this as to whether calibration at home via PC will solve the black crush?
Each OLED panel sample can have different performance in the near black details, which is why even with hardware calibration like Calman, the shadow detail step is manual and cannot be automated in to the process. I don't think you'd be able to "fix" it using any software based profiling or calibration at the graphics card level i'm afraid, as in the very darkest shades it will likely be beyond the measurement limits of the meter you're using anyway, or the patterns and greyscales it is measuring and calibrating would not be sufficient.
I would say though that this black crush issue is not going to be a huge issue to most people - i've not seen the sample in question so can't comment if thats a particularly bad example, but there's plenty of very happy customers out there, and i think the vast majority of people are also unlikely to see the issue in real use too even if it is there to some extent. OLED's often struggle in that area tbh. Making some minor tweaks to the screen's settings can also help in many situations, like adjusting the contrast control a bit for instance. it will make the overall image a little less accurate, but not by anything that would mean anything to your average user.
Hardware calibration via processes like Portrait Displays Calman LG Autocal could help fix it, or at least they allow good control in the shadow detail - you could even make those areas a lot brighter than they even should be if that suited your viewing conditions and preferences. You don't NEED to have a super expensive meter either, not unless you're really really concerned about absolute accuracy for colour grading, content creation or something. Sure it's nice to be able to do it with the best accuracy possible, but it's by no means necessary. A calibration using something lower cost and common like an i1 Display Pro would be perfectly adequate for the vast majority of people. Saying it's pointless unless you have a higher end spectro to profile it with isn't true, you can get very good results using a colorimeter like that. Calman also now provide a standard WRGB OLED correction matrix in their software for these OLED screens too which helps. Saying all this, hardware calibration is really a nice to have, it's by no means vital or necessary. you can get perfectly good results as i'm sure 99% of owners do, with just simple OSD setting changes.
All the modern LG OLED's have internal pattern generators, you don't need to do that separately (as the guide explains). There is a bug at the moment where a recent LG firmware "broke" the access to the internal pattern generator, but that's being looked at by Portrait and LG, that should work. Other LG OLED's i don't think are affected.
Why are the prices coming down?
Thanks for the heads-up by the way, is this also in store do you think?
And whats this black crush problem? is it an issue for general gaming/desktop?
And how is this monitor for general browsing etc?
Great information thanks, bit confusing though the calibrator I used stressed to me the pattern bug would make it almost impossible to do it myself and suggested if I wanted dark shadow detail done right id need to get it profiled also. Sounds like it might have been a bit of a push to get the job perhaps, certainly is a bit of a learning curve with the world of calibration!
I see your updated post
"Update 10 Nov 2022 – it seems users are having difficulty using the built-in pattern generator on the LG C2 series after a firmware update from LG, and it is producing incorrect colours and making calibration impossible. We are keeping an eye on the situation and will follow up with Portrait Displays for updates. In the mean time, by all means try to use this process, but it may not work on a C2 at the moment in which case you would need to wait for an update from LG/Portrait"
So is it a case of just trying it and if it does not work, one has to wait on the fix?
I think as suggested by Baddass above its worth giving it a try and see if it still works? I would be interested if it does
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Perhaps I went a bit over board regarding black crush, but its just my personal opinion on it having had 2 different 42" C2s and experiencing it myself.
The 42C2 is still the best display I have ever owned.
I think prices have just come down due to black friday frenzy, people are cashing in on sales much earlier this years perhaps believing the cost of living crisis could take an effect next year but who knows.
Costco @ £744 is nuts but still I think it might be better to set up an alert on hotuk deals you may get better deals especially if they chuck in gift cards or ear buds or soundbars, then you could sell those off and reduce price tags more just involves more work.
Can't downgrade firmwares, I believe LG patched it
I just upgraded the latest firmware 03.21.30 yesterday, some folks over on AVS said they had cleaner blacks afterwards. Not sure what they meant perhaps they had dirty blacks
