Making a murderer - The Avery case (Spoilers)

NoobCannon said:
Being a wierdo who kills animals doesnt mean you should be sent to prison for life
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Yet that is exactly why he is where he is. The case against him wasn't as weak as the show suggests, but it wasn't strong either, but after introduction to the "character" of Avery, rather than the evidence at hand, every jury and judge involved voted "nopes, purge" again and again, every single time. Just like Smokey, between injustice to Avery and having him around and about, they repeatedly decided 'do not want'.
 
NoobCannon said:
Why post that at all? Being a wierdo who kills animals doesnt mean you should be sent to prison for life why is a cat so different to a fox or an ant
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Weird? If you deliberately immolate animals you're not 'strange', you are cruel and twisted. Really, some truly unlucky folk have been locked up for most of their lives, if not their whole life, for crimes they never commited. I'd rather spend my time and energy reading about them, instead of watching some sensationalist documentory on whether a sicko wack job may or may not of commited murder.
 
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I just finished watching this. It's incredible that Steven was convicted the second time off of the evidence given which was purely "this is what we think happened" which actually had 0 evidence WITH credibility. Absolutely baffling. Release this man from prison and once he gets out he should get the hell out of Wisconsin.

What happened to Brendan was despicable. At an IQ level he's at "Mild Mental Retardation" and this was abused to getting a false testimony. And his lawyer working against him and collaborating with the prosecution to convict Steven... holy ****. I actually thought when Mike O'Kelly interviewed Brendan in the class room where he confessed to giving a false testimony was proof at how this kid has no idea what's going on and is easily coerced into giving whats wanted so he can get away. After Brendan writes his confession Mike says why not draw the deceased and draw how she was restrained and killed etc ON THE BOTTOM OF HIS INNOCENCE plea wtf!! and after this the Judge won't let Brendan's lawyer be dismissed, like omg really??

Just wow at this.. WOW!
 
esoteric said:
I just finished watching this. It's incredible that Steven was convicted the second time off of the evidence given which was purely "this is what we think happened" which actually had 0 evidence WITH credibility. Absolutely baffling. Release this man from prison and once he gets out he should get the hell out of Wisconsin.

What happened to Brendan was despicable. At an IQ level he's at "Mild Mental Retardation" and this was abused to getting a false testimony. And his lawyer working against him and collaborating with the prosecution to convict Steven... holy ****. I actually thought when Mike O'Kelly interviewed Brendan in the class room where he confessed to giving a false testimony was proof at how this kid has no idea what's going on and is easily coerced into giving whats wanted so he can get away. After Brendan writes his confession Mike says why not draw the deceased and draw how she was restrained and killed etc ON THE BOTTOM OF HIS INNOCENCE plea wtf!! and after this the Judge won't let Brendan's lawyer be dismissed, like omg really??

Just wow at this.. WOW!
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You probably already know, but the second series starts next Friday. Can’t wait!
 
I'm not sure they could have NOT made it the Zellner Show, as it was her, and her team, finding all the flaws in the prosecutions allegations and things that the defence team missed.

After this second series I'm even more convinced of Steven's innocence, which I'm sure was the documentaries intention from series 1.
 
I think he's guilty and is exactly where he ought to be.

One of the biggest hurdles to get around, is how he used a fake name and tried to disguise his phone number using *67, when calling Halbach (several times). Her car and remains are found on his property shortly after. (that's not even considering the forensic evidence)

If you're going to believe he's not guilty, then you must;

  • Believe the Police murdered Teresa Halbach, or arranged it.
  • Planted all of the forensic evidence
  • Planted the Rav4 on Avery's land without anybody noticing
  • Planted Halbach's purse, phone, camera and personal items 20 feet from Avery's door
  • Manipulated the phone records to plant the calls he made to Autotrader
  • Planted the bullet in his garage, along with (Halbach's DNA) fired from Avery's own gun (which had been impounded)
  • Made up statements from Avery's previous inmates saying how he wanted to build a torture chamber to put women in (motive?)
  • Made up the reports that Halbach already knew Avery, had met him before and was 'creeped out' by him (victim knows the killer)
The problem with all of the above, is that it seems from the documentary that the Manitowoc county Sherrif's department, is comprised of halfwits - which makes it extremely unlikely that they could pull off all of the above tasks without messing it up, the amount of people who'd need to be involved combined with the temptation to 'blab' to a reporter, makes it extremely unlikely that this is a conspiracy. It's not impossible - it could be, but for me, it's very very unlikely.
 
Screeeech said:
I think he's guilty and is exactly where he ought to be.

One of the biggest hurdles to get around, is how he used a fake name and tried to disguise his phone number using *67, when calling Halbach (several times). Her car and remains are found on his property shortly after. (that's not even considering the forensic evidence) --> He used his sister's name, probably because she doesn't like him? You would have thought he'd use a made up name surely?and IIRC it's her (Barb's) car.

If you're going to believe he's not guilty, then you must;

  • Believe the Police murdered Teresa Halbach, or arranged it. --> No you don't.
  • Planted all of the forensic evidence. --> Most of it yes. Given the history with the previous lawsuit, there's certainly motive.
  • Planted the Rav4 on Avery's land without anybody noticing --> No you don't
  • Planted Halbach's purse, phone, camera and personal items 20 feet from Avery's door. --> Probably
  • Manipulated the phone records to plant the calls he made to Autotrader. --> No you don't.
  • Planted the bullet in his garage, along with (Halbach's DNA) fired from Avery's own gun (which had been impounded) --> DNA yes, but no known source and no bone.
  • Made up statements from Avery's previous inmates saying how he wanted to build a torture chamber to put women in (motive?) --> Hardly credible.
  • Made up the reports that Halbach already knew Avery, had met him before and was 'creeped out' by him (victim knows the killer) --> Of course he has used her services before. Nothing wrong with that.
The problem with all of the above, is that it seems from the documentary that the Manitowoc county Sherrif's department, is comprised of halfwits - which makes it extremely unlikely that they could pull off all of the above tasks without messing it up, the amount of people who'd need to be involved combined with the temptation to 'blab' to a reporter, makes it extremely unlikely that this is a conspiracy. It's not impossible - it could be, but for me, it's very very unlikely.
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His case is far from perfect for sure and i'm not saying he's innocent. But IMO (and of course the opinion of many others, including legal professionals) the case against him is just dubious as hell and a complete farce.

The info around Bobby is interesting.

edit: I'm more wound up by Bendan's "confession" than Stephen Avery to be honest. It's pretty ridiculous.
 
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