May 20 is ‘Everybody Draw Mohammed Day’
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If a child dies before the age of puberty then they go to heaven . Until the age of puberty the parents are to teach the child the rights and wrongs of life.
A person starts being accountable for their actions once maturity begins.
When men and women go to heaven. The man will be at 33 years of age. The women will be at 29 years of age. They will not get older.
Regarding the part i put in bold. This becomes irrelevant becuase the person left the world before this happened and did not commit any sin. What if they were to become such an amazing person and do a lot of good for the world.
So, every child that dies, gets a golden ticket, a free pass to heaven?
How did God decide I didn't merit such a wonderful gift, and that I should instead live a life whose event have lead me to not believe in any religion at all?
Or if God has not had a hand in this, it's entirely down to random events? That's surely even worse! It's a lottery to get into heaven?
ps: Will this 29yr old women, have a group of virgin men to satisfy her?
A child is innocent, so they go to heaven.
Regarding religion, have your read torah/bible/quran?
All the muslims do realise that it is impossible for there to be more virgins than people going to heaven right?
Especially in the context of "forever"
Also given the fact that someone ceases to be a virgin once they've been used.
ie, lets say muhammed wants to shag 35 virgins. I'd say thats going to take him at least a week, wich is a rate of 5 per day. Muhammed evidently is one horney bad boy.
Now given the way things are portrayed, I think it would be safe to presume that he isnt going to stop at just one weeks worth. Each week will of course require a new set of 35 virgins, the previous 35 now being discarded, as they are effectively worthless, they may aswell go to hell.
Now.. Muhammad died in 632 A.D.
2010 - 632 = 1378 years, each with 52 weeks, and each week 35 virgins.
2,507,960 Virgins have been "consumed" By muhammed, since he died (if the muslim religion is true)
This is just one man of course.
Now since i cant be bothered to look up more acurate figures, im now going to pull some (more) numbers out my ass. However becasue these numbers are made up, im going to be EXTREMLY biased in favour of islam when guessing the following numbers.
Lets say that since 632 A.D. untill now, an average of only 1000 people actually qualify for heaven per year. This is not a lot, infact this is incredibly low given the population of muslim belivers.
1820 virgins per year per person in heaven, and thus each year an additional 1,820,000 virgins are needed ontop of the previous requirements due to the increased in numbers in heaven requiring the use of virgins.
So in year 1 (counting muhammed in the first 1000) 1,820,000 were used.
year 2 > 3,640,000 (+ the 1st year, totals 5,460,000 virgins.)
You can see where this is going by now i hope.
As mentioned before, 1378 years since this began (also biased towards muslims as we are presuming heaven was empty before muhammed died)
[1378(1378+1)]/2 = 950131 (cumalative total of years.. 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 etc as per the population growth in heaven)
950131 x 1000 (1000 people per year)
950,131,000 x 1,820 = 1,729,238,420,000 (Total Virgins "consumed" so far in heaven.)
For comparisons sake..
The population of the earth this year is around 6-7 Billion.
The number of virgins consumed this year in heaven will be 2.5~ Billion
The total number of virgins consumed so far since 632 A.D. is 1.7~ Quadrillion
Numbers dont lie. There have not been that many people who have died virgins since the dawn of mankind ( I know this is an assumption.. but a fairly safe one i think!). The Mulsim religion is therefor untrue.
Especially in the context of "forever"
Also given the fact that someone ceases to be a virgin once they've been used.
ie, lets say muhammed wants to shag 35 virgins. I'd say thats going to take him at least a week, wich is a rate of 5 per day. Muhammed evidently is one horney bad boy.
Now given the way things are portrayed, I think it would be safe to presume that he isnt going to stop at just one weeks worth. Each week will of course require a new set of 35 virgins, the previous 35 now being discarded, as they are effectively worthless, they may aswell go to hell.
Now.. Muhammad died in 632 A.D.
2010 - 632 = 1378 years, each with 52 weeks, and each week 35 virgins.
2,507,960 Virgins have been "consumed" By muhammed, since he died (if the muslim religion is true)
This is just one man of course.
Now since i cant be bothered to look up more acurate figures, im now going to pull some (more) numbers out my ass. However becasue these numbers are made up, im going to be EXTREMLY biased in favour of islam when guessing the following numbers.
Lets say that since 632 A.D. untill now, an average of only 1000 people actually qualify for heaven per year. This is not a lot, infact this is incredibly low given the population of muslim belivers.
1820 virgins per year per person in heaven, and thus each year an additional 1,820,000 virgins are needed ontop of the previous requirements due to the increased in numbers in heaven requiring the use of virgins.
So in year 1 (counting muhammed in the first 1000) 1,820,000 were used.
year 2 > 3,640,000 (+ the 1st year, totals 5,460,000 virgins.)
You can see where this is going by now i hope.
As mentioned before, 1378 years since this began (also biased towards muslims as we are presuming heaven was empty before muhammed died)
[1378(1378+1)]/2 = 950131 (cumalative total of years.. 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 etc as per the population growth in heaven)
950131 x 1000 (1000 people per year)
950,131,000 x 1,820 = 1,729,238,420,000 (Total Virgins "consumed" so far in heaven.)
For comparisons sake..
The population of the earth this year is around 6-7 Billion.
The number of virgins consumed this year in heaven will be 2.5~ Billion
The total number of virgins consumed so far since 632 A.D. is 1.7~ Quadrillion
Numbers dont lie. There have not been that many people who have died virgins since the dawn of mankind ( I know this is an assumption.. but a fairly safe one i think!). The Mulsim religion is therefor untrue.
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Numbers dont lie. There have not been that many people who have died virgins since the dawn of mankind ( I know this is an assumption.. but a fairly safe one i think!). The Mulsim religion is therefor untrue.
Oh my god you are my new hero
This heaven stuff is completely insane, I cant believe people still believe is this nonsense, I cant get my head around how ridiculous it is. Stuck in such a place surround by religious nuts does not bare thinking about, is it possible to commit suicide in heaven?
All the muslims do realise that it is impossible for there to be more virgins than people going to heaven right?
Especially in the context of "forever"
Also given the fact that someone ceases to be a virgin once they've been used.
ie, lets say muhammed wants to shag 35 virgins. I'd say thats going to take him at least a week, wich is a rate of 5 per day. Muhammed evidently is one horney bad boy.
Now given the way things are portrayed, I think it would be safe to presume that he isnt going to stop at just one weeks worth. Each week will of course require a new set of 35 virgins, the previous 35 now being discarded, as they are effectively worthless, they may aswell go to hell.
Now.. Muhammad died in 632 A.D.
2010 - 632 = 1378 years, each with 52 weeks, and each week 35 virgins.
2,507,960 Virgins have been "consumed" By muhammed, since he died (if the muslim religion is true)
This is just one man of course.
Now since i cant be bothered to look up more acurate figures, im now going to pull some (more) numbers out my ass. However becasue these numbers are made up, im going to be EXTREMLY biased in favour of islam when guessing the following numbers.
Lets say that since 632 A.D. untill now, an average of only 1000 people actually qualify for heaven per year. This is not a lot, infact this is incredibly low given the population of muslim belivers.
1820 virgins per year per person in heaven, and thus each year an additional 1,820,000 virgins are needed ontop of the previous requirements due to the increased in numbers in heaven requiring the use of virgins.
So in year 1 (couning muhammed in the first 1000) 1,820,000 were used.
year 2 > 3,640,000 (+ the 1st year, totals 5,460,000 virgins.)
You can see where this is going by now i hope.
As mentioned before, 1378 years since this began (also biased towards muslims)
[1378(1378+1)]/2 = 950131 (cumalative total of years.. 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 etc as per the population growth in heaven)
950131 x 1000 (1000 people per year)
950,131,000 x 1,820 = 1,729,238,420,000 (Total Virgins "consumed" so far in heaven.)
For comparisons sake..
The population of the earth this year is around 6-7 Billion.
The number of virgins consumed this year in heaven will be 2.5~ Billion
The total number of virgins consumed so far since 632 A.D. is 1.7~ Quadrillion
Numbers dont lie. There have not been that many people who have died virgins since the dawn of mankind ( I know this is an assumption.. but a fairly safe one i think!). The Mulsim religion is therefor untrue.
LOL oh dear someone needs to get out a bit more i think
LOL oh dear someone needs to get out a bit more i think
Its nice to know you have the ability to laugh at yourself
On a more serious note, you seem to be a beliver of the muslim faith.
On the original topic i'd like to point out a couple of things. In fact, take what i just said, i dont think you will disagree with me...
you seem to be a beliver of the muslim faith.
The two words in bold are fairly synonymous with each other. However they are in no way substitutable for the word know. Know implies certainty, it is an absolute. To be absolute requires a complete observation of all relevent empirical data, wich is impossible.
To force, or coerse others to do that wich you yourself, or, perhaps not YOU, but others of the muslim or indeed any other faith, or even to condone the actions of others of aforementioned faiths in their acts of force or coersion based not upon knowledge or absolute cetainty, but on belief and faith alone is, wrong.
The original topic was a protest against this very wrong doing. Some muslims decided to coerse (threaten) non-muslims. Non-muslims took offence to this and retaliated with actions not of offence, but of defiance.
To be offended by anothers defiance is a falacy, as no offence has actually taken place.
Unfortunatly, it is true that some have gone beyond defiance and moved onwards to offence.
Boths sides are at fault, mostly due to human weakness.
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Not knowing myself, but can't these virgins be "made up ones" in "their representation of heaven" or does it explicitly say these virgins are of those who died on earth. Otherwise your assumption seems to have been a waste of all that time
I don't know so can you clear that part up for me?
Not knowing myself, but can't these virgins be "made up ones" in "their representation of heaven" or does it explicitly say these virgins are of those who died on earth. Otherwise your assumption seems to have been a waste of all that time
I don't know so can you clear that part up for me?
You are suggesting that they would supply fakes in heaven? But really.. even if they are fakes.. thats still a lot of virgins.
I'm off to sleep now
Gonna dream about my 2.5 million virgins....... lol as if.
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Not knowing myself, but can't these virgins be "made up ones" in "their representation of heaven" or does it explicitly say these virgins are of those who died on earth. Otherwise your assumption seems to have been a waste of all that time
I don't know so can you clear that part up for me?
Seems a bit cruel and degrading doesn't for a loving god?
Congratulations you've been created to be ****ed by this random bloke as and when he wishes.
So much for free will.
'Paradise/Heaven' in Islam, is described as a place where the natural desires of a human being are fulfilled, infact they are exceeded beyond imagination. Yes there is a description of what it will look like, eg. 'rivers flowing beneath' but since we have never seen anything like it, we can only imagine what it will actually be like. Whether you like it or not, man was created with the desire for women. Just take a look at this society we live in, women are exploited and used to sell pretty much anything including themselves. You call it liberation, Islam calls it exploitation and degradation.
We are here now, in this life which is all nothing but a test (according to Islam). Some people have been born into wealth, some are born into extreme poverty. Everyone is tested in a different way, and no one but the Creator can judge.
You have people questioning, how can people be born into such poverty if there is a God. Wait a second though, you nor I know what is waiting for that person after they die. Yes they have suffered this life, however, they are pretty much unable to commit any sin because they have no means to aquire anything, they struggle to obtain their daily food. When they die and see what is theirs, they would happily come back and live this life 1000 times over just knowing what is in store.
You then have some people born into masses of wealth, and they may be the most vile human beings around, but has that wealth helped them though? To those below him/her, they may envy that person or question how can God give so much wealth to such an evil person, yet with that wealth that person buries himself deeper and deeper in sin, he engages in more and more sin as he has the means to aquire almost anything. When this person dies, he will curse his wealth even though he will be living the high life now for what, 50-60 years?
Every person is tested in a different way, and yes there is suffering, yes there are injustices, but nothing goes unseen by God. The Quran clearly states that everything is recorded in a book, and that book will be brought forward. Not even an atom in the heavens on the earth will be hidden, but it will be brought forward on a day which God has promised.
So, if you don't believe then just wait because we too are also waiting.
There is only going to be one chance though, and the regret which some people will have on the day of judgement will be an eternal regret. One thing is absolutely certain though, no one will be wronged. One of the names of God, is 'The Just' (in Islam we learn about God through his names, not images or pictures), so everyone can be sure that they will be dealt with fairly, and the people who are thrown into hell will not be cursing God they will be cursing themselves.
Imagine living your whole life with a blindfold on, when you die it will be like taking the blindfold off and really seeing things as they are.
We are here now, in this life which is all nothing but a test (according to Islam). Some people have been born into wealth, some are born into extreme poverty. Everyone is tested in a different way, and no one but the Creator can judge.
You have people questioning, how can people be born into such poverty if there is a God. Wait a second though, you nor I know what is waiting for that person after they die. Yes they have suffered this life, however, they are pretty much unable to commit any sin because they have no means to aquire anything, they struggle to obtain their daily food. When they die and see what is theirs, they would happily come back and live this life 1000 times over just knowing what is in store.
You then have some people born into masses of wealth, and they may be the most vile human beings around, but has that wealth helped them though? To those below him/her, they may envy that person or question how can God give so much wealth to such an evil person, yet with that wealth that person buries himself deeper and deeper in sin, he engages in more and more sin as he has the means to aquire almost anything. When this person dies, he will curse his wealth even though he will be living the high life now for what, 50-60 years?
Every person is tested in a different way, and yes there is suffering, yes there are injustices, but nothing goes unseen by God. The Quran clearly states that everything is recorded in a book, and that book will be brought forward. Not even an atom in the heavens on the earth will be hidden, but it will be brought forward on a day which God has promised.
So, if you don't believe then just wait because we too are also waiting.
There is only going to be one chance though, and the regret which some people will have on the day of judgement will be an eternal regret. One thing is absolutely certain though, no one will be wronged. One of the names of God, is 'The Just' (in Islam we learn about God through his names, not images or pictures), so everyone can be sure that they will be dealt with fairly, and the people who are thrown into hell will not be cursing God they will be cursing themselves.
Imagine living your whole life with a blindfold on, when you die it will be like taking the blindfold off and really seeing things as they are.
The only things that are regarded as a sin, are the things that God has said are a sin. We can not dictate what is right and wrong, people have different opinions about almost everything.
According to Islam, alcohol was previously permitted however, during our prophets time it was made haraam (forbidden). Now this was also a test for the people at that time, even one of the closest companians of the prophet, Umar was a heavy drinker. When the verse of the Quran was revealed it is said that alcohol was flowing through the streets of Mecca, everyone emptied out their supplies. When the command came, it was acted upon immediately. Alcohol however, will be permitted in heaven, but the nature of the alcohol will not be the same as it is here eg. it will not put people into a drunken state.
So no heaven is not a place of sin and iniquity.
Any women that a man would have in heaven would be one of his wives. This is another subject of debate. This society accepts that a man desires women so he is allowed to date and have sexual relations before marriage. Even when he is married he is allowed by law, commit adultery, it isnt against the law. Islam says a man is not allowed to have any sexual relationship before marriage, he must get married. If he desires another woman, he must also marry her and he has a duty towards her. You can not use and then throw away once you have done your business.
*SNIP*
For comparisons sake..
The population of the earth this year is around 6-7 Billion.
The number of virgins consumed this year in heaven will be 2.5~ Billion
The total number of virgins consumed so far since 632 A.D. is 1.7~ Quadrillion
Numbers dont lie. There have not been that many people who have died virgins since the dawn of mankind ( I know this is an assumption.. but a fairly safe one i think!). The Mulsim religion is therefor untrue.
Oh wow. You are my new hero too.
All the muslims do realise that it is impossible for there to be more virgins than people going to heaven right?
Especially in the context of "forever"
Also given the fact that someone ceases to be a virgin once they've been used.
ie, lets say muhammed wants to shag 35 virgins. I'd say thats going to take him at least a week, wich is a rate of 5 per day. Muhammed evidently is one horney bad boy.
Now given the way things are portrayed, I think it would be safe to presume that he isnt going to stop at just one weeks worth. Each week will of course require a new set of 35 virgins, the previous 35 now being discarded, as they are effectively worthless, they may aswell go to hell.
Now.. Muhammad died in 632 A.D.
2010 - 632 = 1378 years, each with 52 weeks, and each week 35 virgins.
2,507,960 Virgins have been "consumed" By muhammed, since he died (if the muslim religion is true)
This is just one man of course.
Now since i cant be bothered to look up more acurate figures, im now going to pull some (more) numbers out my ass. However becasue these numbers are made up, im going to be EXTREMLY biased in favour of islam when guessing the following numbers.
Lets say that since 632 A.D. untill now, an average of only 1000 people actually qualify for heaven per year. This is not a lot, infact this is incredibly low given the population of muslim belivers.
1820 virgins per year per person in heaven, and thus each year an additional 1,820,000 virgins are needed ontop of the previous requirements due to the increased in numbers in heaven requiring the use of virgins.
So in year 1 (counting muhammed in the first 1000) 1,820,000 were used.
year 2 > 3,640,000 (+ the 1st year, totals 5,460,000 virgins.)
You can see where this is going by now i hope.
As mentioned before, 1378 years since this began (also biased towards muslims as we are presuming heaven was empty before muhammed died)
[1378(1378+1)]/2 = 950131 (cumalative total of years.. 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 etc as per the population growth in heaven)
950131 x 1000 (1000 people per year)
950,131,000 x 1,820 = 1,729,238,420,000 (Total Virgins "consumed" so far in heaven.)
For comparisons sake..
The population of the earth this year is around 6-7 Billion.
The number of virgins consumed this year in heaven will be 2.5~ Billion
The total number of virgins consumed so far since 632 A.D. is 1.7~ Quadrillion
Numbers dont lie. There have not been that many people who have died virgins since the dawn of mankind ( I know this is an assumption.. but a fairly safe one i think!). The Mulsim religion is therefor untrue.
so according to Spawns post nobody is banging away just yet
besides does it say new virgins every week ?
one thing i was curious about though...in the religions where there is a heaven and a hell (not just Islam), could you really be happy if you made it to heaven and the rest of your family didn't ? say if your children didn't make it then how could you ever be happy knowing they are being burned in hell fire and their suffering will not end. would the wine or the rivers or the women really mean anything ?
would you rather not just be with them or cease to exist as the knowledge of what is happening to them would be eternal torture for yourself.
I always like "what dreams may come" take on this.
You've missed the point...
As it stands now, I'm going to hell. I believe all religions are a bunch of hog-wash.
However, had I died when I was very young, I would have received my golden ticket and gone straight to heaven...
Now how is that fair? How does God decide who dies young and gets a "Go To Heaven Free Card"?
All the muslims do realise that it is impossible for there to be more virgins than people going to heaven right?
Especially in the context of "forever"
Also given the fact that someone ceases to be a virgin once they've been used.
ie, lets say muhammed wants to shag 35 virgins. I'd say thats going to take him at least a week, wich is a rate of 5 per day. Muhammed evidently is one horney bad boy.
Now given the way things are portrayed, I think it would be safe to presume that he isnt going to stop at just one weeks worth. Each week will of course require a new set of 35 virgins, the previous 35 now being discarded, as they are effectively worthless, they may aswell go to hell.
Now.. Muhammad died in 632 A.D.
2010 - 632 = 1378 years, each with 52 weeks, and each week 35 virgins.
2,507,960 Virgins have been "consumed" By muhammed, since he died (if the muslim religion is true)
This is just one man of course.
Now since i cant be bothered to look up more acurate figures, im now going to pull some (more) numbers out my ass. However becasue these numbers are made up, im going to be EXTREMLY biased in favour of islam when guessing the following numbers.
Lets say that since 632 A.D. untill now, an average of only 1000 people actually qualify for heaven per year. This is not a lot, infact this is incredibly low given the population of muslim belivers.
1820 virgins per year per person in heaven, and thus each year an additional 1,820,000 virgins are needed ontop of the previous requirements due to the increased in numbers in heaven requiring the use of virgins.
So in year 1 (counting muhammed in the first 1000) 1,820,000 were used.
year 2 > 3,640,000 (+ the 1st year, totals 5,460,000 virgins.)
You can see where this is going by now i hope.
As mentioned before, 1378 years since this began (also biased towards muslims as we are presuming heaven was empty before muhammed died)
[1378(1378+1)]/2 = 950131 (cumalative total of years.. 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 etc as per the population growth in heaven)
950131 x 1000 (1000 people per year)
950,131,000 x 1,820 = 1,729,238,420,000 (Total Virgins "consumed" so far in heaven.)
For comparisons sake..
The population of the earth this year is around 6-7 Billion.
The number of virgins consumed this year in heaven will be 2.5~ Billion
The total number of virgins consumed so far since 632 A.D. is 1.7~ Quadrillion
Numbers dont lie. There have not been that many people who have died virgins since the dawn of mankind ( I know this is an assumption.. but a fairly safe one i think!). The Mulsim religion is therefor untrue.
Assuming that our conception of 'years' is still applicable in heaven/hell, the above is all speculation
It also doesn't actually mean that they will be humans who have died, but rather 'angelic beings' for want of a better word. - Status