You do not understand what I am saying. You are using the word 'controlling' saying God is controlling it. I used the word 'allowing' saying that God is allowing it to happen. There is a big difference.
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You do not understand what I am saying. You are using the word 'controlling' saying God is controlling it. I used the word 'allowing' saying that God is allowing it to happen. There is a big difference.
Make your mind up... "nothing can happen without the will of God" or "he has given people the freedom to choose" - Which is it?
My life events, time and place of birth, have made me the person I am... And led me to the mindset that believes God does not exist. Were these circumstance luck or by God's will? Either way, I'm destined to go to hell, due to luck or God's choice... Charming
There is absolutely no difference.
If you cannot make a choice without God allowing it, then you have no choice in the first place and he is controlling your every action.
Answer my question, how can God know what everyone will do unless their life is predetermined?
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Just because we're hardwired in to thinking of everything in terms of 3 spatial dimensions + time, that doesn't mean that is the only reality.
This simple observation is insurmountable as far as I'm concerned.
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I agree many religious individuals may also hate the truth, and simply due to pride will refuse to accept any other religion or way of life.
This can apply to many different types of people.
You have decided the system is flawed yet you haven't spent the time to study as much as you possibly can about this 'system' first. I definately agree with you that many things determine or have a huge effect on how a person will turn out like. I already stated that God in his infinite wisdom is the only one who can judge, and He alone tests people in different ways. Hitler was raised in a certain environment which would have influenced him but he too was a human being, he will have to account for himself based on the decisions and choices he made. If you were in his exact shoes you may not have done what he did because you are a different person, therefore what is in your heart may not have been in his and vice versa. I am not saying you would have turned out exactly as you did now, obviously you would be different.
God tests everyone in a different way. If someone is born on a desert island and no religion ever reaches him, is this person gonna burn in hell? Ofcourse he is not, he will be judged according to his circumstances.
God never places a burden on a soul, greater than it can bear.
Did you create life, or were you yourself created? Is it that difficult to believe, that the One who gave us life the first time, will again give us life after we have died?
So we're into lottery territory then...
My mindset, location and time of birth, parents and life events are all utterly random... Not sure which is worse then, the random events in my life have destined me to hell, or God's will has destined me to hell...
If you say the system is a lottery, then fair enough. Just more evidence at how daft it all is. Whether one ends up in Heaven or Hell, decided on the toss of coins...
Just because God has allowed people to commit evil or good ie. he has let them choose A or B and they choose whichever, does not mean he forced them to do so. Why does that not make sense?
Although we exist in a certain dimension of time/space and are bound by it, God is not. We have a past, a present and a future. For God this is all one and the same.
Are you telling me you have no choice and are being controlled in your every action right now?
Of course, but your personality and moral character is ultimately made up by your life experiences, which you say are random.Are you telling me you have no choice and are being controlled in your every action right now?
Had I been born into a faithful Muslim family X hundred years ago, I'd almost certainly be a practicing Muslim. Had I been born into an abusive violent family I'd have stood a greater chance of possibly become a violent abusive person myself... And so the list goes on...
You are the sum of your life experiences and sheer chance... So basically sheer chance is dictating whether you are religious or not...
Or you could have decided not follow islam
or you could have decided to be a nice person
again at the end of the day you have the choice
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Do you not understand how important the random event in your life are though? And how utterly important these are your mindset?
If I had been born in Rome in the 16th century, there's a high chance I'd of been a devout Catholic. Had I been born in Iraq in the 17th century, most likely I'd have been a Muslim... But by sheer chance I was born in modern times in the UK, and lived through a random set of life events that have given me the state of mind to consider religion a bunch of silly hokum...
Of course there's "choice", by it's utterly overshadowed by chance and random events...
But the key here is being born into a faithful muslim family does not guarentee you turn into a faithful practising muslim. Neither does being born into an abusive violent family, mean you will turn out that way.
You are talking about chance, I am talking about what is in a persons heart. You get some people who are born into the most horrific abusive families yet they turn out to be decent, moral, respectable human beings and vice versa.
Once a person passes away, if it turns out that there is a God and everything was actually true, they may think they have an argument of blaming everything on the conditions they were put in. However, on the day of judgement a persons mouth will be sealed first and his own hands and feet will testify against him, or for him. Everything that is in your heart will be brought forward, even an atoms weight on faith. If you still feel that you have an argument then, you will by all means be able to bring it forward but when it becomes so obviously apparent, and everything a person use to say and do is surrounding them from all sides, they will soon realise that the life of this world simply deceived them.
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I must say I was thoroughly enjoying these videos until I realised that this man seems to be a hardcore Christian. But thanks for sharing
Indeed not... But surely we can agree that it probably has some effect?
If random events have resulted in even just one person not believing, a soul is now spending eternity in hell due to events beyond their control?
However, I'd suggest, everyone takes part in this lottery! The time you were born (14th century, 21st century), the culture you were born into, who your parents are, and the random events that unfold in your life time, all have a massive effect on your belief system and moral compass. You've agreed all this is random... So I'm going to hell due to some tosses of a coin?
If the conditions that you were placed in, meant that it was no way possible for you to believe in God, then there is absolutely no way you will be punished for it.
The question here is, were you given enough in life, to able you to come to the conclusion that there is a God.
I, nor anyone else can answer this. God knows what conditions he has set for every single person, he knows what is hidden in everyones heart. He alone will judge us all, and his judgement will be fair and just.
You have stated many times that 'I am going to hell for....' but it is not the case of anyone (muslim especially) to say whether or not you are going to hell because we do not know what tomorrow will bring for you. During our prophets time, one of the strongest most powerful enemies of Islam was Umar, and he accepted Islam. Therefore, anything is possible.
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Just because God has allowed people to commit evil or good ie. he has let them choose A or B and they choose whichever, does not mean he forced them to do so. Why does that not make sense?
Although we exist in a certain dimension of time/space and are bound by it, God is not. We have a past, a present and a future. For God this is all one and the same.
Are you telling me you have no choice and are being controlled in your every action right now?
Re-read what you yourself are typing in response to these questions. He has 'let them choose'? Think about that. Is that really a choice?
If you cannot make ANY choice without God allowing it, then you can make no choice at all.
I must say I was thoroughly enjoying these videos until I realised that this man seems to be a hardcore Christian. But thanks for sharing
Which man is that??..the guy in the video or Tip Top??
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no I meant the man in the video. He has fantastic comprehension and appears to be someone who likes to ask questions. However why he doesn't use these traits for questioning christianity/other religions is just beyond me.
no I meant the man in the video. He has fantastic comprehension and appears to be someone who likes to ask questions. However why he doesn't use these traits for questioning christianity/other religions is just beyond me.So here we go again, stacking the assumptions and excuses on top of each other.
So now we have another group of people with 'Go Directly To Heaven' tickets? Because they happened to be born into a poor start, or particularly harsh life events? Lucky toss of the coin that!
All a bit contrived and daft isn't it. Considering the prize is rather substantial! You'd think the test would be fair for all!?
In short, put you in my shoes, from birth ,and given the same life events, you'd not believe in God either... A coin was tossed, you got your life, I got mine.... And due to that toss of a coin, I'll go to hell? Class!
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