May 20 is ‘Everybody Draw Mohammed Day’

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[TW]Fox;16665943 said:
It strikes me that all this was dreamt up many thousands of years ago as a way for primative man to be controlled en masse, religion is the best crowd control around and how the world works in days before our understanding was as far reaching as it is now.
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Welcome to the world of whipping the oppressed masses in to shape. Why the hell should the primitive,oppressed masses obey their lord? Because their local lord represents his local God who offers you great things when you die if you obey his local representative on earth. See how amazingly clever this is? :rolleyes: That's why people choose to live in poverty instead of revolting, they believe they get their reward for this when they die. Smart choice...

Look at the peoples that are the most vehemously religious these days and you will see not much has changed.
Africans, Asians and South Americans
 
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FoxEye said:
So when you make a decision, are you exercising your free will, or are you simply responding in the way your history has programmed you?
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Neither you are acting in the only way your current make up of chemicals and atoms can act at that time.
 
izzy eckerslike said:
What! no posts today ? has everybody been abducted by aliens or what?
maybe they read about the newly discovered Hari Pot religion & gone to seek guidance ? :p:p
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Or maybe just maybe everyone is bored with the topic and the original point was made quite a few pages back;):p

Trust you to bring it back up though....
 
izzy eckerslike said:
wot !no eager virgins ? ::( :p
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If you sit back and think about this... Put it all in context - Living your life as part of the ultimate test, and then your eternal soul is rewarded with the ultimate prize of eternal life in heaven....

Doesn't this hurd of virgins all seem a little out of place and almost trivial? It's more like a silly school boy fantasy than the scheme created by the same guy who managed to construct the entire Universe?
 
As a muslim convert i'm offended by it,but i also am offended by the muslims who threatened to kill the guys who work for the cartoon,this is not true islamic way.

Many born muslims are getting caught up in violence as the way to teach non muslims there bad ways,but this is the polar opposite of what islam teaches.
 
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NeilFawcett said:
You forget, all those innocent babies and children get to go straight to heaven! God has decided those little fellows can go straight there, unlike all the rest of who have to live our lives and risk becoming non-believers!

Great test isn't it!

It's like at an A-Level examination, just picking the front row and saying, it's OK, don't bother opening your papers! You've passed! Except this is the most important exam you'll ever take, and you'd think at least it should be fair for all?
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Allah is not unjust,so of course he will not punish people (baby's or adults alike) for what they have not done or done unintentially (islam teaches it's the intention of the act and not the actually act that determines if it's a sin or good deed)
 
izzy eckerslike said:
It would be interesting to see some answers from some of the pro god posters as to where they think god resides, what purpose he serves as he seemingly does nothing to avert disasters to his subjects & so on.

Answers without refs to the bible or koran if you think you can but somehow I think you may not be able to because it would involve rational thinking.

to me quoting the koran or bible is no different to quoting stories from the Arabian nights.

If the koran said that mohammed travelled about on a flying carpet would it be taken as fact ?

are the stories about Noah & his ark or Adam & eve any more likely to be true because they are written in a book just the same as Harry potter is written in a book but we know it's all fantasy ?
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Well as a believer of allah and in a afterlife i don't see people as dieing as the most worst thing,if they die and are sinners then this is there choice,but if u die as a believer and true to do good and stay away from sin and lusts then allah will reward you,weather you die in a natural disater or whatever.

It's very hard to get the points across to a athiest when you need to understand the mentality amd not just pick on certain points that don't make sense with your mentiality which is not to believe in the first place.

If you believe death is the final end then you will never come to understand a believer would do things or believe certain laws because he fears something after death.You will not find all the answers you want from a religious perspective if you dont believe in life after death anyway,you will just always argue about what happens in this world and the effects of things in this world with no concience of a next world (heavon/hell).

So if you want to try to udnerstand a believer you have to first account they believe in the afterlife and fear what might come of there deeds in this life.
 
haroon said:
Allah is not unjust,so of course he will not punish people (baby's or adults alike) for what they have not done or done unintentially (islam teaches it's the intention of the act and not the actually act that determines if it's a sin or good deed)
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But you - seemingly like all the religious folk here - seem to miss the point.

If you consider life as the exam, and if you pass you go to heaven. There's two problems with this exam:-
1) Some people don't even have to take the exam, and pass automatically! ie: As previously discussed, young children, if they die, go straight to heaven. Hardly fair that for the rest of us who live longer and have to take this test and risk failing! (like myself!)
2) The test for some folks are harder. Depending when/where you are born will greatly effect your propensity to believe.

As I've repeatedly said, the system is so unfair I cannot see how any rational fair super entity would deem it a worth while test. Allah is clearly very unjust!

Instead it all appears like your typical God of the void nonsense invented by people to explain what they cannot explain...
 
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haroon said:
Allah is not unjust,so of course he will not punish people (baby's or adults alike) for what they have not done or done unintentially (islam teaches it's the intention of the act and not the actually act that determines if it's a sin or good deed)
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haroon said:
...,but if u die as a believer and true to do good and stay away from sin and lusts then allah will reward you,weather you die in a natural disater or whatever.
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These seem contradictory to me.

If you're (not you in particular, anyone) is a believer then you do good deeds so that you are not punished in the afterlife. Therefore the intention isn't simply to do good.

But if I perform good deeds, with the sole intention of helping others, being a good person etc, my intentions are pure but I still won't get into heaven because I do not believe.

Seems a little unfair to me.
 
NeilFawcett said:
If you consider life as the exam, and if you pass you go to heaven. There's two problems with this exam:-
1) Some people don't even have to take the exam, and pass automatically! ie: As previously discussed, young children, if they die, go straight to heaven. .
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logically then all good parents should murder their child at birth.


Ok they will be dammed but their child will be guaranteed a place in heaven.

After all what's a life of 75 years on earth compared to eternity in the bliss of paradise?
 
Tefal said:
logically then all good parents should murder their child at birth.
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I've said that exact thing myself!

The test or exam we are told we're sitting to get into Heaven is like something out of Monty Python. I cannot see why a supreme loving being would make us sit such a mad unfair test; Billions of souls going to Hell simply due to unfortunate circumstances... ie: If they had been born in a different house/country/time they could well have ended up in Heaven rather than Hell. Or indeed, if they'd just died young, they would have gone straight to Heaven!
 
NeilFawcett said:
But you - seemingly like all the religious folk here - seem to miss the point.

If you consider life as the exam, and if you pass you go to heaven. There's two problems with this exam:-
1) Some people don't even have to take the exam, and pass automatically! ie: As previously discussed, young children, if they die, go straight to heaven. Hardly fair that for the rest of us who live longer and have to take this test and risk failing! (like myself!)
2) The test for some folks are harder. Depending when/where you are born will greatly effect your propensity to believe.

As I've repeatedly said, the system is so unfair I cannot see how any rational fair super entity would deem it a worth while test. Allah is clearly very unjust!

Instead it all appears like your typical God of the void nonsense invented by people to explain what they cannot explain...
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As mulims we believe that everything is upto allah and no one can control what has happened or will happen,where you are born,what race you are,rich or poor ect.

It is all part of Allahs plan,if a baby dies then this is what allah planned for him/her but it doesn't mean that Allah has to kill everyone off or who would make more babys and eventually become us to discuss this topic now?

And yes Allah tests people in different ways and mannars,not everyone is the same,in order to test and for Allah to evaluate who is the good believer from the sinner,you have to have the good and the rich to counter who is the bad and the poor,it all works for a reason and the reason is to test and see who is and is not the true believer.
 
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