May 20 is ‘Everybody Draw Mohammed Day’
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That's not really the case though is it? Much like for Christianity you do not have to believe in a literal translation for you to believe in the faith itself. I fully understand that you personally may not think they can be a muslim but then you have some odd thought processes when it comes to who can and cannot be one. (i.e. you focus on the sin of homosexuality excluding you from being a muslim yet it seems the sin of premarital sex doesn't, why the dichotomy?)
A day of judgement/reckoning is quite common in most religions and as Islam is based on both Christianity and Judaism it isn't a suprise it shares a lot of the general background to it.
Most religions are the same (though not all) so how do you know that Islam is correct and the myriad other religions are wrong?
How much studying of religion have you done to determine that Islam is "The Truth"? What makes you think that Taoism, Christianity, Judaism, Bhuddism, Sikhism, Hinduism, Wicca, neopaganism, satanism and the myriad other faiths, religions and philosophies are not "The Truth"?
The point you seem to be missing is that the playing field is not at all even. If Islam is true then for some reason God/Allah has seen fit to make it much, much, much harder for me to get into heaven than he has you. Why is that?
Also, why is a god that threatens me with Hell for eternity actually worthy of worship?
But you can't say that if I was in your shoes I would definately have ended up exactly the same as you, because I am not you, and you are not me.
Me, you and the next person might have totally different upbringings from totally different backgrounds, and we all end up totally different people. Just because someone is born into a muslim/christian family does not mean they remain such. Just because someone is bought up without any religion, does not mean that won't later convert to a religion.
We have choices, which are influenced by many things. God will judge accordingly, because only He is able to judge us, since it was He who gave us our life.
Very little, it is as always an ongoing process. From the little I have studied about other religions as well as Islam, it has only confirmed or strengthened my faith even more.
In that case I would be very careful about saying others who have decided on a different path hate the truth.
his parent's where Muslim hence he's Muslim and Islam is the truth
Unfortunately I think that may be the case.
You're picking individual cases to try and prop you up aren't you.
Pick the UK today... Do a greater or lesser %age of people today believe than 200 years ago? Or 400 years ago? Are you suggesting the culture has never changed in its propensity to instill religion or good moral conduct in its citizens?
I would suggest in the above example, over the last 400 years belief has dropped for example. So people born in the UK today have a lesser chance of going to heaven. Fair?
LOL! How are we different? The different set of circumstances we were born under? The different random events that have shaped our beliefs? You, in reality, have made no choice "to believe", a random set of events have made you the person you are. Just as they have me...
My random events have put me in hell (as they've made me not believe)... Yours have left you with a personality which can believe, so you are destined for heaven? Fair?
And the this of course is just the start of how ridiculous it all is.
Why do you have to believe in God to get to heaven? Why is he so egotistical and why should we all have to be sycophantic to merit Heaven?
In truth I could be considered MORE deserving of heaven than you! I do not need threats of damnation to force me to behave kindly to my fellow man! Yet, this system you believe in sends me to hell? Nice!
Because he created heaven. If man was to accept god as his creater and worship then he is destined for heaven.
If you dont believe in God then what do you expect..heaven?
his parent's where Muslim hence he's Muslim and Islam is the truth
I don't share all the beliefs of my parents. Even muslims reach a point in their life where they consciously accept Islam, most probably never do and do things purely out of habit or because they were told so. Islam is a belief which has to enter the heart, it's not something worn on a person.
I don't believe that everyone who decides on a different path hates the truth, please don't put words in my mouth.
LOL! Your blind faith is impressive!
The random circumstances of my life, have given me the personality and belief traits I have at the moment. I have a logical mind which simply cannot look at the universe and see a God involved in it. I don't believe I'm a bad person, yet the random events have destined me to hell.
Your God sound cruel and unfair to me. He relies on a system to work out who goes to Heaven & Hell, that's so unfair and random, the other place might actually be better if it's not run by such a person!?
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Why does your god who controls everything allow earthquakes etc. to kill thousands of innocent babies & children ? Does your god do this on purpose & decide to kill a few thousnd people to amuse himself or what?
I just can't understand the beliefs some of you have as it just doesn't compute with reality past or present.
we keep getting quotes on here from the koran & the bible as though because it's written then it must therefore be true.
Imagine the world in the probable not to distant future where nuclear war has wiped out most of mankind & all knowledge of Religion is lost
A few survivors struggle on for a hundred years & slowly mankind begins to recover albeit like being back in the dark ages.
Excavations discover a book about a boy called Harry Potter, after numerous attempts the book is deciphered & suddenly they realise that this boy must have been a son of a god to be able to do so many amazing things. Word quickly spreads from village to village about this son of god
who can fly on a stick & turn people into animals.
Shrines appear, & pages of the book are distributed to be placed in the shrines, Larger buildings are constructed so that more people can crowd in to worship hari Pot the son of god, armies go far to seek out followers of false gods & kill those won't convert .
Sounds laughable doesn't it!! ring any bells anyone??
You forget, all those innocent babies and children get to go straight to heaven! God has decided those little fellows can go straight there, unlike all the rest of who have to live our lives and risk becoming non-believers!
Great test isn't it!
It's like at an A-Level examination, just picking the front row and saying, it's OK, don't bother opening your papers! You've passed! Except this is the most important exam you'll ever take, and you'd think at least it should be fair for all?
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If some of the things being said in this thread were said by a bloke on a street corner everyone would think he was a wacko. I find it so difficult to comprehend some of the opinions about how our lives are apparently 'controlled' by a mystical being who is so clever he can control several billion people all at once and knows the life of all them.
It strikes me that all this was dreamt up many thousands of years ago as a way for primative man to understand how the world works in days before our understanding was as far reaching as it is now. Entire civilisations were built on this stuff, but now presumably we know better, what place does it really have in modern society?
Do people actually think there are unlimited virgins in Heaven and when you go to Heaven you will be exactly 33 and never age?
I'm also not entirely sure how to make my point without inadvertently offending people, so I'll stop for now.
It strikes me that all this was dreamt up many thousands of years ago as a way for primative man to understand how the world works in days before our understanding was as far reaching as it is now. Entire civilisations were built on this stuff, but now presumably we know better, what place does it really have in modern society?
Do people actually think there are unlimited virgins in Heaven and when you go to Heaven you will be exactly 33 and never age?
I'm also not entirely sure how to make my point without inadvertently offending people, so I'll stop for now.
Hmm, sounds like you believe in pre-determination of a sort. You see yourself as having been entirely created by "random" events, most of which you have no control over.
So when you make a decision, are you exercising your free will, or are you simply responding in the way your history has programmed you?
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That's exactly my belief to. A God of the void! Don't know why a volcano erupts? Answer must be God! Don't know why the Sun and Moon move over the sky? Answer must be God! Don't know how life evolved? Answer must be God!
And now, God has lost all those places to reside in, so he's basically now been pushed back to the Big Bang to hide in...
Profound question! A combination of the two? But I think any rational person must accept a huge part of their personality, character and moral compass etc are down to the random events of their life - The time & place of birth, parents, and all the random events and relationships that ensue.
It certainly is not a fair test if at the end of this, if getting to heaven is judged on a test where so much it down to just luck of the draw!
Quite possibly, yes. Maybe we have the illusion of free will? We are but a sum of our experiences and those shape us into who we are today?
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It would be interesting to see some answers from some of the pro god posters as to where they think god resides, what purpose he serves as he seemingly does nothing to avert disasters to his subjects & so on.
Answers without refs to the bible or koran if you think you can but somehow I think you may not be able to because it would involve rational thinking.
to me quoting the koran or bible is no different to quoting stories from the Arabian nights.
If the koran said that mohammed travelled about on a flying carpet would it be taken as fact ?
are the stories about Noah & his ark or Adam & eve any more likely to be true because they are written in a book just the same as Harry potter is written in a book but we know it's all fantasy ?
Answers without refs to the bible or koran if you think you can but somehow I think you may not be able to because it would involve rational thinking.
to me quoting the koran or bible is no different to quoting stories from the Arabian nights.
If the koran said that mohammed travelled about on a flying carpet would it be taken as fact ?
are the stories about Noah & his ark or Adam & eve any more likely to be true because they are written in a book just the same as Harry potter is written in a book but we know it's all fantasy ?
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