May 20 is ‘Everybody Draw Mohammed Day’

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I think the "religion gives people morales" is utter pish, no offense if you do believe that.
I think it was proven even animals, those much less intelligent than ourselves even have morales to some degree, they know right from wrong and it's easy to see this. So I think religion doesn't give morales, but I do agree that if there wasn't religion there would always be something else people fight over, weather it be land, wealth or power.

Religion does do some terrible things though, people are killed just down to their beliefs, gays and lesbians are condemned in the eyes of religions, people high-up in the religion can take advantage of those who trust them. Kids are taught just for the sake of religion to kill others (Extremist case). People and animals are sacrificed, people are threatened and live their lives in fear because of it.

The only "good" religion does is give humans some blind faith there is something else when you die, everyone fears the inevitable and religion will help people come to terms with this. People don't need faith to lead a good life, there will always be horrible people, weather they are religious or not, there will always be good people weather they are religious or not. But the fact religion dictates to their followers what to do, what to condemn and what you should believe in life, I think it's just wrong, everything about it is wrong. 1 piece of good doesn't make up for all the bad.
 
LabR@t said:
is this true? i keep reading this? do muslims support paedofilla?
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Yemen Cleric: Fight Draft Law Banning Child Brides

Germany Overrules Islamic Law - Returns Purchased 14-Year-Old


Muhammad is a role model for muslims.

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jas72 said:
Personally I think that religion stops more human evil than it causes. Sure 0.00000000000000000001% of each religion has it's nutters but can you imagine if everyone actually believed that there was nothing more to life. The number of nutters with nothing to live for would explode.

Of course this is my theory just the same as your statement is your theory.
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Why does there have to be supernatural forces for people to have something to live for? That need alone shows there's something very wrong.

Aren't we capable of valuing life for what it is, being appreciative of what we have and we can be? Of what we can make it? For the wonder and beauty that is life, and the universe which we live in?

And frankly, religion is 90+% nutters.

I don't believe that it is entirely feasible (even if it were possible) to simply extract religion from the world and expect things to be okay. It needs to be phased out, much like an old, inefficient machine or law that has no right to continue to exist in our time. To allow it to continue to pollute the minds of billions is a crime.

Religion was great as a primitive tool for getting past those early years, now it's a toxic mess.
 
aaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnddddd now im going to watch south park. Sod these pillocks - one day they will get the holy war they wanted, and they will quickly learn it was a bad idea - this is at the same time that mohammed is raping anything that moves and marrying anything that breaths.

And yes, yawn i appreciate that islam does not 'apparently' tell the muzzies to kill everything that moves that doesnt believe in mohammed - but, lets be honest - you read any lately? i mean seriously? **** me it makes pretty distrubing reading.
 
Angleboy said:
Wrong.

Nothing religious has contributed to those things in any way.

Science and research have.

Religion by defenition cannot further scientific progress, its very nature is to hinder it and put all "faith" in "higher powers". Science is regarded by the religious as herasy, though in this day and age, religion has been forced to cut back, and is left with sociological/philosophical view points to have its followers put their "faith" in, as the evidence for the other scientific areas is so insurmountable that faith is abolished as knowledge takes over.

In short, Religion played no part, its presence in any scientific progress is irrelevent as it had no direct interaction with the development of any scientific gain.
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Tripe schooling for most of western europe started in the church. Without education none the scientific feats you proclaim would ever have happened.

You can't just write the churches benefits to mankind off because we now have some more scientific knowledge.
 
Spawn said:
Well if you had any clue you would realise that back in those days, it wasnt uncommon for men to take on extremely young women/girls as their wives....obviously by todays standards its not a good thing but then our standards and laws of today wouldnt have applied back then;).
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However this isn't an ordinary man we are talking about, this is the last Prophet of God. So surely he would know or be told what is morally right or wrong? It taking a child bride was acceptable to the prophet of God why is it not acceptable now?
 
eatcustard said:
I should have said
We have evolved, mentally (well most of us have)
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In the grand scheme of things we haven't evolved much at all and nor have we learnt that much. We are still quite a young species. Civs have only been around for a few thousand years. There was and always be people like you think you have evolved mentally.
 
WOW

Clearly some of the people posting in this thread have not evolved, all this negativity about something the prophet did so many years ago when Child marriages such as this were relatively common in Bedouin societies at the time, and remain common in some modern societies worldwide. American scholar Colin Turner suggests that such marriages were not seen as improper in historical context, regarding the number of wives he had These marriages were contracted mostly for political or humanitarian reasons, these wives being either widows of Muslims who had been killed in the battles and had been left without a protector, or belonging to important families or clans whom it was necessary to honor and strengthen alliances.....

Ok would someone in that case care to elaborate on the Child Molestation cases in the Churches today...... Surley in Todays society this is unacceptable, and in a way Worse?????
 
moawan said:
WOW

Clearly some of the people posting in this thread have not evolved, all this negativity about something the prophet did so many years ago when Child marriages such as this were relatively common in Bedouin societies at the time, and remain common in some modern societies worldwide.
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Again, this isn't just any child marriage though, it is the child marriage involving the last Prophet of God. We are expected to believe that the rules and morals of the various holy books are timeless, you cannot argue that society has changed so having sex with children is now wrong but was OK at the time and at the same time argue that homosexuality is wrong because the Koran says so. Are the rules timeless or not? Is having sex with nine year olds bad or not?

moawan said:
Ok would someone in that case care to elaborate on the Child Molestation cases in the Churches today...... Surley in Todays society this is unacceptable, and in a way Worse?????
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As far as I can see no one is actually suggesting that the child molestation going on in churches (and many other religious and non religious organisations, be careful were you throw those stones) is OK.
 
I am a muslim and a have been a member of OCUK for some time but never did I imagine coming across such a thread and finding those lacking of knowledge on Islam jumping on the bandwagon and making comments with a total disregard as to how anyone would feel - this in turn shows the moral code already instilled in today's time/society which is regarded by some to be better than times that have passed.

Its easy for anyone to write/publish stuff on the Internet nowadays which is not true and thus spreads like wildfire on forums such as this without any truth/clarifications to it. Most is quoted out of context which is even worse.

Its just sad it had to be the members at OCUK.
 
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G-Force said:
I am a muslim and a have been a member of OCUK for some time but never did I imagine coming across such a thread and finding those lacking of knowledge on Islam jumping on the bandwagon and making comments with a total disregard as to how anyone would feel - this in turn shows the moral code already instilled in today's time/society which is regarded by some to be better than times that have passed.
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My moral code is fine and dandy thank you. To be clear, I am not at all challanging mohammeds actions, or islam but the justifications used by some on this thread to explain the situation. I am well aware of history, I am well aware of youth marriages in our past and so can easily explain it away as a sign of the times. However I do not believe that mohammed is a prophet and that god is real so explaining it away as changing times is fine for me. If you do believe mohammed is a prophet and that god is real then using "well things were different back then" doesn't wash quite so easily. If having sex with a child is wrong, then it should have been wrong then and God would have let him know it was wrong. Otherwise we have effectively a changing morality so how can you then use your faith to justify calling now accepted behaviour as wrong?

G-Force said:
Its easy for anyone to write/publish stuff on the Internet nowadays which is not true and thus spreads like wildfire on forums such as this without any truth/clarifications to it. Most is quoted out of context which is even worse.
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As far as I am aware I thought it was widely accepted that Mohammed betrothed to Aisha at around 6 or 7 and consumated the marriage at around 9 or 10. If you have any evidence to suggest otherwise then please share it.
 
G-Force said:
I am a muslim and a have been a member of OCUK for some time but never did I imagine coming across such a thread and finding those lacking of knowledge on Islam jumping on the bandwagon and making comments with a total disregard as to how anyone would feel - this in turn shows the moral code already instilled in today's time/society which is regarded by some to be better than times that have passed.

Its easy for anyone to write/publish stuff on the Internet nowadays which is not true and thus spreads like wildfire on forums such as this without any truth/clarifications to it. Most is quoted out of context which is even worse.

Its just sad it had to be the members at OCUK.
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What?
 
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