Soldato
Can you explain the grand scheme to us all?
I think what he meant was that we are more knowlegable and mostly more intelligent then we were say 5,000 years ago.
May 20 is ‘Everybody Draw Mohammed Day’
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RDM: I totally understand where you are coming from because obviously if you don't believe in religion, it doesn't make much sense. My message was to those who are basically.. taking the p*ss.
The point to note is that everything is for a reason in Islam. One way or a another - Also, I am not a scholar so asking me for the reasons of everything under the sun would not be the right approach but I will answer as much as I can.
The prophet Muhammad (PBUH) did not consummate the marriage with Aisha until she reached puberty. Marriages in the past and today in other parts of the world even take place before girls reach 16 but none of their husbands are being locked up..? I believe this is merely a case in the Western World but the big difference in Islam is the marriage aspect which is compulsary.
Furthermore, the reason why Aisha was married to Muhammad (PBUH) so young was because she had an excellent, precise memory to retain a vast amount of detail accurately, the understanding to grasp the significance and the principles of the teachings, powers of reasoning, criticism and deduction to resolve problems on the basis of those teachings, the skills to convey knowledge to a wide range of audience and, finally, have the prospect of living for a considerable period of time after the death of the Holy Prophet in order to spread his message to distant generations.
Caporegime
Yeah and then the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus turned up and they all smoked weed.
Regarding taking the mick (fully star out swearies by the way), I see nothing wrong with taking the mick out of a choice that people make, and getting all precious about it just makes muslims or anyone else look massively insecure about their religion.
Look at the catholic church recently, the centre of much ridicule and scorn, and instead of reacting in the right way by coming out and saying what they'll do to prevent a repeat, Pope Benedict declares the whole world to be against them. Religion is gay and if muslims don't like having the micky taken out of them, tough.
You see.. isn't part of the moral code to accept and respect what other believe in regardless if its a religion or not? Hmm..
I don't believe it to be insecurity but security for your religion when it comes to defending it against people who don't show any respect towards it. You speak out for whats dearest to your heart and this is what is being twisted as insecurity. I don't think any believer likes the mickey taken out of their religion but muslims generally are more in tune with their religion than the others - or you can argue other religions don't get criticised (attacked) as much.
Soldato
This is the problem, why do you care?
You have your beliefs and thus anything anyone should say won't take them away from you, who cares if they mock your religion? People are mocked for everything, what they wear, how they act, what they think.
It's an insecurity because if Muslims were so in tone with their religion they wouldn't need to feel to defend it, let alone do it aggressively which some cases do.
In the case of Southpark, everything is mocked, all religions, all celebrities, Scientology, AIDs is even mocked. But when it comes to Muslims, it has to be censored. Oh no, we can't mock them, because if they do, they will get death threats from extremists. Doesn't that make the religion look good, huh?
I'm confused. Are you saying it's ok for a 50+ year old man to have sex with a 9 year old child?
Doesn't look like he's saying that, unless she's mature for her age.
Man of Honour
Most of the world used to run a 'If it bleeds it can breed' policy so don't just pick on the Muslims.
I think 16 is too young to be legally allowed to have sex.
If you make it any older, that doesn't mean they'll stop having sex at 16. What it does mean is that you'll make 16 year olds criminals and sex offenders.
There are plenty of people who aren't having sex until much older than 16, so it's not just about what is legal and what isn't. It's much more about your upbringing.
I personally know people whose first time was at the tender age of 14 (with another 14 year old). What good will changing the law do?
Not in the slightest. If a religion said it was OK to have sex with children my moral code would still go "Ah, no, actually, I don't think it is." I can accept what you believe, I respect your right to believe whatever you wish to believe. I do not however have to respect what you believe and it also should not be at all immune to criticism just because it is a religion.
Again though, I am not criticising your belief in Islam, what I am critisicing is your justification that "times were different". Surely if having sex with nine year olds is wrong, then God would have let Mohammed know that? If it is wrong now, but wasn't wrong then what has changed and what else has changed? Why is homosexuality wrong, after all, times have changed, is it not possible that is now OK too?
Trust me, in the history of the UK any criticism of Islam is remarkably mild compared to how we have treated Jews and Catholics. There is of course another possible explanation, Islam is criticised more because there is more to criticise? I don't recall any mention of Jesus having sex in the bible, never mind sex with nine year olds.
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Soldato
Drawing mohammed seems to be in the same category as picking on Michael Jackson on the day of his death.
Its about time the world realised... Its okay to pick on all religions, icons, topical situations...Pretty much anything. Except Muslim beliefs. Thats off limits, because they're very special.
Its about time the world realised... Its okay to pick on all religions, icons, topical situations...Pretty much anything. Except Muslim beliefs. Thats off limits, because they're very special.
I only have to go back to what I said before and that is that if something is dearest to me then I will speak up. If someone mocks my religion, I care - thats obvious!
With your point regarding Southpark - Anyone without moral concern can be behind the production and due to their nature and media power through their TV production, making a mockery of life's beliefs and problems has possibly become accepted in the western society and instilled into people's lives as the norm.
As my point.
In Islam, A girl is only eligible to get married once she has reached puberty. Nowadays, like statistics, a figure has been given to determine the thin-line when an older guy is considered a peadophile, i.e. 16 years old.
Girls mature at different ages - some before 16.
Soldato
Girls should get married when they start their periods, as a period is a waste of a life, that's what I recall anyway. That's what I was told anyway.
G-Force I believe that the point of everyone drawing Mohammed is to mock not your religion but the extremists within it that would murder someone for drawing the picture.
The message is, murder one of us for doing it and 100,000 of us will do it. It's a message I agree with whole-heartedly. I will not be trying to mock Islam in any way, just the extremists within Islam.
The message is, murder one of us for doing it and 100,000 of us will do it. It's a message I agree with whole-heartedly. I will not be trying to mock Islam in any way, just the extremists within Islam.
Paedophiles like prepubescent children. There's another word for people that like kids in early pubescence, another for people in late pubescence, can't remember what they are though.
You respect what I believe but not what i believe? Hmm.. I don't quite get that.
In those days girls got married early (still happens today in some regions) and the marriage between Muhammad (PBUH) and Aisha was not consummated until she reached puberty. Secondly, she wasn't whipped away, she was married off.
Criticism is one thing, taking the mickey is another.
Times were different - we're talking about 1430 years ago! Secondly, times for Christians has changed so much thats its evident in the change of the bible with the New Testement etc.
Homosexuality is wrong in all religions, not just in Islam. Like the popular saying goes "God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve". Homosexuality in religion goes against logic - you cannot carry on generations in the world if everyone turned gay/lesbian and held no interractions with each other - which is why marriage (not to the same sex) is compulsary in Islam.
Trust me, in the history of the UK any criticism of Islam is remarkably mild compared to how we have treated Jews and Catholics. There is of course another possible explanation, Islam is criticised more because there is more to criticise? I don't recall any mention of Jesus having sex in the bible, never mind sex with nine year olds.
For your information, it doesn't mention Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) having sex in the Quran. Your criticism is based on lack of knowledge.
So it's ok to have sex with 13 year old then?
Actually no, to be a paedophile you have to be attracted to/have sex with pre pubescent girls.
so 12< normally.
The issue here is that extremists are only a small minority. With your reasoning, you're only giving extremists a chance to attack. That is not Islam.
At the same time, you are insulting Islam for the peaceful believers. ANY depictions of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) are forbidden in Islam and we as muslims cannot accept this.
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