May 20 is ‘Everybody Draw Mohammed Day’
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If Microsoft can do it, surely God can do it too?
just to be the one who says it, microsoft is proven to be there, other things arnt
1) Evolution has absolutely NOTHING to do with God or the creation of Humans.
2) Because that is just completely insane, ridiculous, illogical, and irrational BS. Again, GOD HAS NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH EVOLUTION.
What is preventing God from designing a complex system like the weather? A system that he doesn't need to directly control? A "fire-and-forget" system?
We make rockets that, once launched, control themselves. We make planes that can take off and land without a pilot.
We build systems without automation.
If we can do that, surely God can, on a larger scale?
When your windows7 computer automatically starts defragging your hard drive, nobody says "Microsoft are controlling my computer making it defrag." Of course they aren't. Microsoft designed Windows7 to be able to act in this way without direct intervention from Redmond.
In the same way, why is not possible for God to have designed the Earth with semi-autonomous systems, like the weather, tectonic movements, etc.
If Microsoft can do it, surely God can do it too?
Pretty poor analogy
Windows starts with a big "WINDOWS" logo and says it was created by "MICROSOFT"... Where's God telling me he created the Universe? And this is where religion goes to any length to explain the most obvious reason... He's not there...
Ouch! Well, I just want to say that it is not mutually exclusive to understand the basics of weather patterns and be a religious person.
Your argument that understanding weather disproves God's existence is not going to convince anyone, really.
Simply that God is not real and doesnt exist, and I cant possibly understand how you can believe that man made creations are comparable to God, unless you are saying that God is also an imaginary man made concept, which is exactly what he is.
Seriously, I lose more and more respect for 'humans' with every passing day that I hear such idiotic nonsense coming from them. The majority clearly lack any part of the hypothetical idea of 'Intelligent Design' that they seem to believe so strongly in.
4:48 onwards... Perfect!
I never said god had anything to do with evolution.
All I was trying to explain was why some religious people can accept that evolution exists and doesn't change the way they believe in their particular god.
If by anyone you mean 'Brainwashed theists', then of course it isnt, just like absolutely no real logic or intelligent discussion can.
Do note however, that I were not using weather as an argument to try and disprove God at all, I were merely refuting the believe that 'God commands the weather to magically happen'.
The Theistic argument that 'God controls the weather' is just completely laughable nonsense that anyone with the slightest understanding of basic Earth Science / Physical Geography is going to go hysterical over, just as much as the comparison that Evolution has anything to do with God is.
Pretty poor analogy
Windows starts with a big "WINDOWS" logo and says it was created by "MICROSOFT"... Where's God telling me he created the Universe? And this is where religion goes to any length to explain the most obvious reason... He's not there...
No, what I'm saying is, why have you all decided that if God isn't directly controlling each individual cloud, and that you know some of the underlying physical reasons for their behaviour, that God didn't set the whole thing in motion? When he created the Earth, he would have understood the laws of physics, and would have been able to engineer a system which was cyclical and performed according to whatever patten he had in mind.
Does that mean that he can't take credit, and that because we understand some of the physical laws governing the system, that he can no longer even exist?
No, what I'm saying is, why have you all decided that if God isn't directly controlling each individual cloud, and that you know some of the underlying physical reasons for their behaviour, that God didn't set the whole thing in motion? When he created the Earth, he would have understood the laws of physics, and would have been able to engineer a system which was cyclical and performed according to whatever patten he had in mind.
Does that mean that he can't take credit, and that because we understand some of the physical laws governing the system, that he can no longer even exist?
Because God isnt real? You do know that is right dont you?
Well, I suppose not.
I may as well say that rain is caused everytime the Flying Spaghetti Monster (Noodles be upon him, Ramen) waves his leftmost tentacle, and points at the location with one of his others. That has just as much chance of being correct as your analogy of 'God must have done it'.
But who said this was what anyone actually believed? I sure didn't. Did anyone else?
You've made a straw-man. Constructed an argument no one was using, that could easily be ridiculed, and used that to disprove everything else we've been saying.
Well, congrats!
Most mainstream Christians (including the Pope) and quite a few moderate muslims. Generally people that do not take their holy book to be completely literal and realise that a lot of it, especially Genesis, could be allegorical.
Alternatively they actually have an understanding of science and the overwhelming evidence in support of evolution. They do not dismiss it because it does not match exactly the words in their holy book and actually have to think about the meaning of the words rather than just parrot it? How exactly do you explain away the vast wealth of evidence in support of evolution? Just ignore it because it does not fit in with what your book says?
Well, sorry to say, but it is you. While there are certainly thinks that distinguish us from most other animals we are much more alike than we are different. On a DNA level we are incredibly alike to the other animals, especially those we share a common ancestor with.
But then, I am completely wasting my breath because you haven't actually got any knowledge of what you are arguing against. Much like you have little real knowledge of other religions, you have no real knowledge of biology. Let me guess, you know evolution is wrong because a muslim website told you so?
Erm, right here? Seems to me that religious folk cant even keep anything in context, least of all not even their own religious beliefs
.Thats the only thing that I were replying to about regarding the weather, not whatever you misquoted me saying out of context
Lol, religious people going out of context, the argument they love to use the most when defending their religious scriptures, they still go an do it themselves all the time.
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I did GCSE Biology, A-Level Biology and a degree in Biomedical Science. I have read the Quran in English, quite a lot of the Bible and a fair bit of the Hindu scriptures. So stop talking absolute and utter rubbish. You do know there are actual scientists and doctors who are religious and do not believe in the theory of evolution?
Why is this the case?Christians, Muslims and Jews believe that God created humans with the first of them being the prophet Adam pbuh. Adam did not evolve from monkeys or apes according to the religions I mentioned. You can play with words all day long, it doesn't change anything. Methaphorical, Allegorical, Literal etc all irrelevant because the story of Adams creation is clearly stated in all the holy scriptures.
Just because certain 'religious' people pick and choose which parts they wish to follow, that does not make it correct! Can't you see that is just plain hypocritical?
The Bible condemns homosexuality, nowadays you have gay priests saying its ok. The Bible clearly speaks over and over of heaven and hell, some christians have decided to ignore the hell part completely. Hypocrites will be in the very lowest depths of hell, those who claim to believe and follow the word of God but infact they follow nothing but their own lusts. They write Gods word with their own hands, changing it as they see fit and claiming it is from God. I have more respect for atheists at least they are honest with what they believe.Erm, right here? Seems to me that religious folk cant even keep anything in context, least of all not even their own religious beliefs
Thats the only thing that I were replying to about regarding the weather, not whatever you misquoted me saying out of context
Lol, religious people going out of context, the argument they love to use the most when defending their religious scriptures, they still go an do it themselves all the time.
You quoted FoxEye and myself, yet our beliefs may be completely different. That one didn't work mate.
Where, exactly, does it say that there is a place called hell where people suffer for eternity?
Because that's not what's in my Bible.
Which version of the Bible do you have?
Tell you what, you list some verses which (allegedly) prove the existence of a fiery hell and I'll tell you what those verses say in mine.
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