May 20 is ‘Everybody Draw Mohammed Day’

bhavv · 4 Jun 2010 at 13:41

Shakeel said:
you never heard of a condom split, and do you think its ok to think' ill just kill the child if i get pregnant.'

i guess thats ok if your an athiest

No, its ok because Embryos are not children, and condoms rarely split, even so, its probably a good idea for the woman to use the pill as well.

Also, by your beliefs on unwanted pregnancy, Homosexuality must be God's divine gift to mankind.

Also, on vasectomy:

(1) Permanent Methods: Permanent methods include, Vasectomy in males and Tubecotomy in females. All the scholars unanimously agree that permanent methods of family planning are prohibited since they involve changing human physiology.

Says Allah in the Qur’an: “So set you your face steadily and truly to the Faith: (Establish) Allah’s handiwork according to the pattern on which He has made humankind: no change (let there be) in the work (wrought) by Allah: that is the standard Religion: but most among mankind understand not.” (Al-Qur’an 30:30)

The Prophet (pbuh) is reported to have said: “Marry the one who is loving and fertile, for I will be proud of your great numbers before the nations [i.e., on the Day of Resurrection].” (Abu Dawood Hadith no. 2050, Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood, 1805)

So women who are incapable of becoming pregnant due to serious medical disorders that have their tubes tied are also going to hell? Awesome religious morality.

Shakeel · 4 Jun 2010 at 13:42

bhavv said:
No, its ok because Embryos are not children, and condoms rarely split, even so, its probably a good idea for the woman to use the pill as well.

Also, by your beliefs on unwanted pregnancy, Homosexuality must be God's divine gift to mankind.

really?!? come on bhavv are you taking the beans

Shakeel · 4 Jun 2010 at 13:43

bhavv said:
No, its ok because Embryos are not children, and condoms rarely split, even so, its probably a good idea for the woman to use the pill as well.

see this is thing with many athiest they have no morals, they just do things to satisfy their own desires, like abortions

bhavv · 4 Jun 2010 at 13:45

Shakeel said:
see this is thing with many athiest they have no morals, they just do things to satisfy their own desires, like abortions

Abortions are not immoral. also, abortions have nothing to wih Atheism, they are a thing to do with Medicine and Health Care.

Shakeel said:
really?!? come on bhavv are you taking the beans

Why? They can have sex without getting pregnant, so according to your views on 'unwanted pregnancy', this is no longer an issue. Also, as for straight couples, they can also enjoy non vaginal intercourse to avoid pregnancy, if split condoms and unwanted pregnancy are genuinely an issue for them. So this is all ok to avoid pregnancy right?

Shakeel · 4 Jun 2010 at 13:46

bhavv said:
Abortions are not immoral.

if having a baby is going to cause harm to the mother health they no they are not.

but just having sex with anyone and then aborting a child is

Shakeel · 4 Jun 2010 at 13:48

bhavv said:
Abortions are not immoral.

Why? They can have sex without getting pregnant, so according to your views on 'unwanted pregnancy', this is no longer an issue. Also, as for straight couples, they can also enjoy non vaginal intercourse to avoid pregnancy, if split condoms and unwanted pregnancy are genuinely an issue for them. So this is all ok to avoid pregnancy right?

are you really that thick. the whole point is to wait until your married.

then std/sti wont be an issue

bhavv · 4 Jun 2010 at 13:50

Shakeel said:
are you really that thick. the whole point is to wait until your married.

then std/sti wont be an issue

Erm, how am I thick? Getting married doesnt exactly eliminate the chances of getting STDs as opposed to having a long term relationship outside of marriage.

You call me thick, yet you think that Marriage is a cure all for STDs lol.

Hint - Even married couples can still contract STDs from having sex with their partner.

Your other issue was pregnancy, as I clearly stated, you cant get pregnant from non vaginal intercourse, so under your personal belief of unwanted pregnancies, non vaginal sex is completely fine.

Shakeel · 4 Jun 2010 at 13:52

bhavv said:
Erm, how am I thick? Getting married doesnt exactly eliminate the chances of getting STDs as opposed to having a long term relationship outside of marriage.

You call me thick, yet you think that Marriage is a cure all for STDs lol.

Hint - Even married couples can still contract STDs from having sex with their partner.

if you 2 people wait until their are married and then have sex the risk is reduced

bhavv · 4 Jun 2010 at 13:55

Shakeel said:
if you 2 people wait until their are married and then have sex the risk is reduced

No its not. Care to explain how marriage suddenly reduces the risk of STD infection between two people from a scientific view? There is absolutely no link at all between this.

If you have sex with a partner outside of marriage, you are no more or less likely to contract an STD than if you had married them first.

Yas786 · 4 Jun 2010 at 13:59

mollymoo said:
I'm interested in the muslims view on vasectomy, acceptable? or not?

Nope not allowed as its stopping gods will for creation ie the eggs and sperm ie if a woman has her ovaries removed.

mollymoo · 4 Jun 2010 at 14:02

Spawn said:
Nope not allowed as its stopping gods will for creation ie the eggs and sperm ie if a woman has her ovaries removed.

I ask because some people are born sterile and some people are made sterile by accidental means, so how does that work, is it just disallowed if a conscious effort is made to prevent fertility or can someone be classed as going against allah even though they have no control over the way they are?

bhavv · 4 Jun 2010 at 14:03

Spawn said:
Nope not allowed as its stopping gods will for creation ie the eggs and sperm ie if a woman has her ovaries removed.

So a woman who gets Ovarian or Uterus cancer that has to have her 'bits' removed, and tubes tied to save her life is a sinner that is going to surrer eternal torment in hell.

Cool. (This is actually real, I know someone who had her uterus removed due to cancer, and had to obviously have a tubectomy as a result).

Yas786 · 4 Jun 2010 at 14:06

mollymoo said:
I ask because some people are born sterile and some people are made sterile by accidental means, so how does that work, is it just disallowed if a conscious effort is made to prevent fertility or can someone be classed as going against allah even though they have no control over the way they are?

Well if they are born sterile then that is of no fault of their own is it??. So it doesnt apply to them but its against islam to actively have a vasectomy or a womans ovaries removed purely for the basis of not having any more children.

If its a life threatening situation ie my mom had a hysterectomy a few yrs ago...not saying her life was under threat but she was in extreme discomfort then its permitted and theres nothing that says its against islam.

http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/2160/vasectomy

Yas786 · 4 Jun 2010 at 14:09

bhavv said:
So a woman who gets Ovarian or Uterus cancer that has to have her 'bits' removed, and tubes tied to save her life is a sinner that is going to surrer eternal torment in hell.

Cool. (This is actually real, I know someone who had her uterus removed due to cancer, and had to obviously have a tubectomy as a result).

Nope as i said doesnt apply to them as they arent actively stopping the risk of pregnancy

...if its a life threatening situation ie cancer then theres nothing that says its not permitted.

Perhaps you should try searching for these answers...i hear google is pretty damn good at it.

bhavv · 4 Jun 2010 at 14:12

O.o your not ignoring me now?

So people who use the contraceptive pill and / or condoms are going to hell?

As is anyone who tries to obtain sexual pleasure and spills their seed without the intent to get pregnant?

So like, 90% of all people lol.

Amnesia · 4 Jun 2010 at 14:16

Spawn said:
Nope not allowed as its stopping gods will for creation ie the eggs and sperm ie if a woman has her ovaries removed.

using a condom/getting a vasectomy

i don't see how it's any different from pulling out when you ejaculate.

NeilF · 4 Jun 2010 at 14:22

bhavv said:
What the bible says about Hell:

http://bible.org/article/what-bible-says-about-hell

Quite a darn lot actually.

1) Everyone will exist eternally either in heaven or hell (Daniel 12:2,3; Matthew 25:46; John 5:28; Revelation 20:14,15).

(2) Everyone has only one life in which to determine their destiny (Hebrews 9:27).

(3) Heaven or hell is determined by whether a person believes (puts their trust) in Christ alone to save them (John 3:16, 36, etc.).

There you go... How unfair and stupid is that! Once chance to get to Heaven, and by its very nature some then have a far greater chance of passing than others! Considering we're talking about eternal bliss or hell at stake here, it sounds like an appalling and utterly flawed test. There is no way this is the work of a caring, loving, intelligent God.

bhavv · 4 Jun 2010 at 14:23

Amnesia said:
using a condom/getting a vasectomy

i don't see how it's any different from pulling out when you ejaculate.

Or masturbation.

NeilF · 4 Jun 2010 at 14:24

Shakeel said:
the sex outside marriage is to prevent unwanted pregnancy and sti/std etc.. its not ridiculous

Is heavy petting OK then?

Yas786 · 4 Jun 2010 at 14:24

Amnesia said:
using a condom/getting a vasectomy

i don't see how it's any different from pulling out when you ejaculate.

Well a vasectomy is permanent although you can get it reversed now i suppose.

Condoms are allowed as a temporary birth control from what i have read.

And bhavv your still on ignore...i just thought id answer your post thats all

...as i said its better if you look for the answers yourself instead of taking our words for gospel...but hold on arent you the islamic expert on the Quran??...perhaps you need to 'educate' us as to what is permitted or not permitted.