May 20 is ‘Everybody Draw Mohammed Day’

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If you makes you feel better to brandish me a 'hater' fair enough - If it in some way gives your point some meaning, so be it...


But you're missing the importance of the point I'm making. Being able to mock, deride, and even insult to some degree any token or symbol of importance or power is a VERY IMPORTANT freedom. Without that freedom we lose the ability to question and challenge matters.

Over the past ten years we've seen Islam complain a number of times when people have 'mocked' its religious figure heads. Should we stop people from doing this? Should people not be able to challenge Islam in this way? Or should Muslim instead learn to be more tollerant and accept this as the healthy thing it is?


I'll repeat my analogy from earlier in this thread. If a country's leader or party suggested no one in their country, or indeed any other country, was allowed to mock, question, deride them in any way (eg: drawing), do you think we should agree to this? Do you think this would be a healthy move?

It's of course ridiculous. For all time, points of power have been the brunt of mocking/humour, why should Mohammed be any different. I'm sure he's big enough to take it, and doesn't need silly humans to fight his battles for him.

It's time for Islam to chill out a bit and stop taking itself so seriously.


I agree with most of the points here. It is important to be able to mock important figures and topical issues, and indeed some within the Islamic Faith do need to stop taking it so seriously, but there is a line between mocking or making a satirical and topical statement using humour and using the same humour to just be plain insulting.

I can agree the difference is both subjective and subtle, but I though that we should be aware if it.
 
I agree with most of the points here. It is important to be able to mock important figures and topical issues, and indeed some within the Islamic Faith do need to stop taking it so seriously, but there is a line between mocking or making a satirical and topical statement using humour and using the same humour to just be plain insulting.

I can agree the difference is both subjective and subtle, but I though that we should be aware if it.

Thank you! And I totally agree some folks have used this situation to go over the top and produce media which is there purely to attempt to insult.

But that all said, the point in question is the right to mock, question and indeed even insult. And that right should not be taken away or in reality questioned.

If we want all this to go away, Islam needs to just move on and ignore it, just like basically every one else does... Islam is not a special case. And I think 'Draw Mohammed Day' was all about this. Stop taking it so seriously! :)
 
If you makes you feel better to brandish me a 'hater' fair enough - If it in some way gives your point some meaning, so be it...

how would you describe yourself ?
in these past 98 pages you have contributed a fair bit and it wasn't just posting funny pics was it ?
you have spent a fair bit of time attacking Muslims and Islam ? how about a bit of honesty on your part or does the hate and dishonesty go hand in hand ?

you would be a bigger person if you could just admit to what you have been doing(not that its not there for all to see anyway).
you may have entered the thread with good intentions but you fell in the trap of the extremists like so many others do.

the extremists want/need you to attack normal everyday muslims and if you dont then they run out of recruits.
 
I really love you NeilFawcett and Gaidin109. I would love it if we could play an MMO together.It would be so much fun. :)
 
how would you describe yourself ?
in these past 98 pages you have contributed a fair bit and it wasn't just posting funny pics was it ?
you have spent a fair bit of time attacking Muslims and Islam ? how about a bit of honesty on your part or does the hate and dishonesty go hand in hand ?

you would be a bigger person if you could just admit to what you have been doing(not that its not there for all to see anyway).
you may have entered the thread with good intentions but you fell in the trap of the extremists like so many others do.

the extremists want/need you to attack normal everyday muslims and if you dont then they run out of recruits.

So basically you're declaring me - seemingly for no other reason than simply not agreeing with you - as some sort of 'hater'. Personally that comes across as rather nieve and shallow to me to be honest.


You don't think that over the past few pages I've been completely open and frank about my thoughts? And you don't think my statements and opinions have been fair?

If so, can you point out where you think I've been unclear and/or more importantly unfair. Or even better 'hateful'?

There's an extremely important issue at stake here, and if anyone has fallen for the extremists motives, its you. I'm promoting the importance of all freedom of speech and most important religion having no say in it at all. Yet for some reason, you've slated me as a 'hater' for no other reason than this? Shame on you!
 
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I really love you NeilFawcett and Gaidin109. I would love it if we could play an MMO together.It would be so much fun. :)

I reckon you should share some of whatever that stuff is you're smoking...;)

What's funny is when I asked my Muslim colleague what he thought about Homosexual's his first reply was " Garys alright he just smells like a girl to often and I get confused whether to call him Gillian or not". Gary being another member of our team and a Homosexual. His reply was " At least I don't smell of parafin and Semtex". Which illicited much ribbing and banter.

So not all Muslims don't have a sense of humour about their religion. Tbh, considering I call him Tariq the Terrorist he better had one or I'm in the crapper. :D
 
So basically you're declaring me - seemingly for no other reason than simply not agreeing with you - as some sort of 'hater'. Personally that comes across as rather nieve and shallow to me to be honest.

agree with me on what ?

You don't think that over the past few pages I've been completely open and frank about my thoughts? And you don't think my statements and opinions have been fair?

ofcourse not....you think attacking millions of people over the actions of a few is fair ? how the hell can you even think thats fair lol


If so, can you point out where you think I've been unclear and/or more importantly unfair. Or even better 'hateful'?

read above and also as i pointed out the repeatedly attacking Muslims/Islam is fuelled by the hate.

There's an extremely important issue at stake here, and if anyone has fallen for the extremists motives, its you.

because i refuse to attack or hate anyone ? because i think the more people who get involved in this and take sides the bigger the problem becomes ....... ? ? ?

I'm promoting the importance of all freedom of speech

repeatedly attacking the same people is hardly promoting free speech now is it (bullying would be a more appropriate word)......would you say hookman sits in his mosque promoting free speech too ?


Yet for some reason, you've slated me as a 'hater' for no other reason than this? Shame on you!

see above.
 
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ofcourse not....you think attacking millions of people over the actions of a few is fair ? how the hell can you even think thats fair lol.

Afraid you're having to turn the argument on its head to make a point aren't you.

Read this carefully, because this is the crux of the argument to this entire matter - Do you think a religion should be able to dictate what people are able to say, do, think or even draw?

I would hope any rational person would say, "no". And that's what I've been repeatedly saying through this entire thread.


Next, given this entire matter kicked off when a religion managed to do this, and not for the first time, do you believe that's a good thing?

I would hope any rational person would say, "no". And that's what I've been repeatedly saying through this entire thread.


Finally how is anything done here in anyway 'attacking millions of people'. The point being made is, nothing being done here is any different to what is done to every other important figure or organisation. It's just that they don't throw their toys out of the cot over it. If Islam can't handle cartoon depictions of its faith, then hard cheese... Learn to. Do what everyone else does, ignore it... Why should Islam be any different to any other religion or organisation? How is it more special?
 
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Finally how is anything done here in anyway 'attacking millions' of people. The point being made is nothing being done here is any different to what is done to every other important figure or organisation. It's just that they don't throw their toys out of the cot over it.

even though you seemed to ignore most of what i wrote....especially the bullying part.

can you atleast point me to 'mock the Hindu' thread and please do link me to a atleast a few of the pictures you have posted mocking their Gods.
or even a mock the Jew thread.


i've made it in bold so maybe this time you wont miss what i wrote.
 
I reckon you should share some of whatever that stuff is you're smoking...;)

What's funny is when I asked my Muslim colleague what he thought about Homosexual's his first reply was " Garys alright he just smells like a girl to often and I get confused whether to call him Gillian or not". Gary being another member of our team and a Homosexual. His reply was " At least I don't smell of parafin and Semtex". Which illicited much ribbing and banter.

:D:cool:
 
even though you seemed to ignore most of what i wrote....especially the bullying part.

can you atleast point me to 'mock the Hindu' thread and please do link me to a atleast a few of the pictures you have posted mocking their Gods.
or even a mock the Jew thread.


i've made it in bold so maybe this time you wont miss what i wrote.

I've already addressed this matter in a previous response to you. Here, I'll repeat it in bold to appear to be a silly smart arse :rolleyes:


If we take South Park (which partly behind this whole thing), who has decided to be offended by it, and get carried away?
- Has Hollywood ever kicked up a fuss over it mocking Tom Cruise and suggested we lose the freedom of speech?
- Has Israel ever kicked up a fuss over it mocking Barbra Streisand?
- Have Christians ever kicked up a fuss over it mocking Christ or God?
- Have Roman Catholics ever kicked up a fuss over it mocking Catholicism?

Have any of those bodies ever asked that the general rules of freedom of speech be adjusted to their liking?

Yet, Islam suggests we should all adhere to their will? That somehow drawing their religious figure should not be allowed?

For a religious group to try and suggest it is above reproach is ridiculous. To suggest that it cannot be poked fun at is unhealthy and unatural.



The final sentence is obviously the important bit, but feel free to jump up on your moral high horse and trot off after some other silly matter instead...

I'll repeat my centiments again, and risk even not putting them in bold, Islam should behave just like everyone else, and ignore what it does like, instead of trying to control it. And most importantly of all, religion should have NO say over freedom of speech. Dangerous! If this makes me a 'hater' then fair enough...
 
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Judaism can be just as sensitive as Islam, so Amnesia has a point. It seems that as Christianity is in the Majority it is fair game, yet if you are a minority you are not.

I maintain however, that we really shouldn't be paying so much attention to a vocal minority whose views and interpretations are not the same as the majority. The more we attribute minority and extremist behaviour to the moderate whole we are doing them and ourselves a serious injustice.
 
Finally how is anything done here in anyway 'attacking millions' of people. The point being made is nothing being done here is any different to what is done to every other important figure or organisation. It's just that they don't throw their toys out of the cot over it.

even though you seemed to ignore most of what i wrote....especially the bullying part.

can you atleast point me to 'mock the Hindu' thread and please do link me to a atleast a few of the pictures you have posted mocking their Gods.
or even a mock the Jew thread.


i've made it in bold so maybe this time you wont miss what i wrote.

dont you even understand what you wrote ?
 
even though you seemed to ignore most of what i wrote....especially the bullying part.

can you atleast point me to 'mock the Hindu' thread and please do link me to a atleast a few of the pictures you have posted mocking their Gods.
or even a mock the Jew thread.


i've made it in bold so maybe this time you wont miss what i wrote.

can you find "Hindus or Jews threaten to murder south park creators".

oh and Hindus, Christians, Buddhists and Jews have had their religious figures ripped into much worse than Islam by south park.


if people hadn't threatened Matt and Trey this never would have happened.
 
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