May 20 is ‘Everybody Draw Mohammed Day’

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lol you get so angry so quick. there is more people converting to islam than leaving.

Again, so bloody what? Doesnt mean anything whatsoever about Islam.

You're so bothered about me getting angry, but its completely ok for angry muslims to attack cartoonists, blow themselves up, and attack non muslim pop singers who have an Islamic name right?
 
it mean people find it to be a peaceful and tolerant reliigion

No it doesnt. It means that they dont know anything about Islam.

There may be more people converting to Islam, but the majority of these are not out of free will, but by forced conversion in many places like Africa under the penalty of death for people who dont convert.

Yes I have seen and have proof of this from middle eastern news sources. No I cannot bloody find them again.
 
Again, so bloody what? Doesnt mean anything whatsoever about Islam.

You're so bothered about me getting angry, but its completely ok for angry muslims to attack cartoonists, blow themselves up, and attack non muslim pop singers who have an Islamic name right?

of course its not ok when did i say that?
 
really bhavv...every single convert to islam doesnt know anything about it...?

If they did then they wouldnt convert to Islam. That is my own belief and opinion, I never meant it as a fact.

of course its not ok when did i say that?

So what exactly do you think about the accounts of the Prophet Mohammed who murdered, raped and massacred thousands of innocent people?
 
Bhavv, for someone who claimed in other threads to have been bullied and verbally abused just because you wanted a Bible instead of becoming a Hindu, you certainly made a good effort to emulate those small minded intolerant people.

It is true that I used to get picked on purely for choosing different options to other people - mostly - 'Yes I'll have a Bible please', 'No I do not want to be a Hindu'.

And you think that people walking up to someone at work and making fun of their name badge, or mocking where they come from is blamable on that persons attitude?

that in a thread where you claimed to be more intelligent than 75% of White people. :rolleyes:
 
Oh well... Seems this thread has finally entered train wreck territory... :(



How anyone can believe in any religion confused me - As tempting as it is to believe we're in someway super special, and you gone on after death. It seems clear to me that it's just a culturally lead, self centred, delusional vanity to me... :)

Take a look at this picture:-

http://herschel.cf.ac.uk/files/atlas_colour_big1_cropped.jpg

Almost EVERY dot there is not a star, but instead another entire galaxy. Each dot is potentially millions or billions of other stars. And of course this is just one fraction of the entire night sky. Yet, in all the Universe we're the important dot of course? Makes us feel nice to think that doesn't it! We were created by God yada yada, and all the rest of it was created just for the sake of it, or instead to try and make us think he doesn't even exist...

We're a statistical anomaly. A fluke. Just as all other life in the universe is. The sooner we wake up from our little fantasy, grow up and realise how truly special we are, and how amazing life really is, the better. Enough of this ancient hoodoo voodoo and time we moved on!

Anyway, that's my take :)
 
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how complex the universe is, how complex is the human body, how every planet is in an orbit and does not crash into each other and we can go on and on and on

to you all this a fluke?

to some people is not
 
Oh well... Seems this thread has finally entered train wreck territory... :(



How anyone can believe in any religion confused me - As tempting as it is to believe we're in someway super special, and you gone on after death. It seems clear to me that it's just a culturally lead, self centred, delusional vanity to me... :)

Take a look at this picture:-


Every dot there is not a star, but instead another entire galaxy. Each dot is potentially millions or billions of other stars. And of course this is just one fraction of the entire night sky. Yet, in all the Universe we're the important dot of course? Make us feel nice to think that doesn't it! We were created by God yada yada, and all the rest of it was created just for the sake of it, or instead to try and make us think he doesn't even exist...

We're a statistical anomaly. A fluke. Just as all other life in the universe is. The sooner we wake up from our little fantasy, grow up and realise how truly special we are, and how amazing life really is, the better.

Anyway, that's my take :)

I'm not religious in any real sense, but if you look at all those billions of Galaxies and Worlds etc and consider that the basic building blocks of all that began at a single point, from a single release of energy do you not feel connected to everything in some fundamental way?
 
how complex the universe is, how complex is the human body, how every planet is in an orbit and does not crash into each other and we can go on and on and on

to you all this a fluke?

to some people is not

A volcano was once a mistery, explained by using the term God. But it is a fluke. I see no difference in a volcano to our entire solar system... Just a bigger random fluke... I see no need for God. I only see God as a need to perpetuate needless self importance and vanity.

And of course it's all a fluke. The fact we have moon is down to a planetoid hitting our planet X billion years ago. If the dice had landed differently life wouldn't have been possible and we'd not be here.

But never fear, I suspect there's countless other races across the universe many of whom will gain a self consciousness, and many of whom will go through some form of religon in an attempt to explain why they are there. And undoubtable as they become more and more advance, slowly they throw those shackles away as hopefully we will ultimately...
 
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Bhavv, for someone who claimed in other threads to have been bullied and verbally abused just because you wanted a Bible instead of becoming a Hindu, you certainly made a good effort to emulate those small minded intolerant people.

Misquoted entirely. I never 'wanted a bible instead of being a Hindu', I simply took one when they were being given out at school without even thinking anything of it. I like free things,, I would gladly take a koran and read it if one had ever been handed to me for free, but I wont make any effort to obtain one myself because I dont actually want one. However, I surely were mobbed as a result by gangs of Indian and Pakistani kids of both the hindu and muslim faiths for having simply taken a free bible from school.

that in a thread where you claimed to be more intelligent than 75% of White people. :rolleyes:

That is a great misinterperation of what I had originally meant, and is not what I said at all in the context that you wrongly implied it. I were replying directly to people in a BNP thread who were saying things something like '(coloured) immigrants cant even speak English as well as national british people can' and / or saying that they are less educated. However, I have no problem with the people who hold such views, I am not angered to the point that I even think of attacking or harming them. They have the freedom to think and believe whatever they want and I fully respect that freedom.

you certainly made a good effort to emulate those small minded intolerant people.

^^ As for this:

We denounce Islam as a false doctrine of hate and terror. However we are not against Muslims who are our own kin and relatives. We do not advocate hate and violence.

I have NEVER advocated nor suggested that any harm should come to any MUSLIM person based on my opinions of ISLAM and religion in general.
 
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how complex the universe is, how complex is the human body, how every planet is in an orbit and does not crash into each other and we can go on and on and on

to you all this a fluke?

to some people is not

Indeed, but Neil's view should be respected nonetheless, as should yours and mine, even Bhavv's.

As a Physicist I could explain Gravity Wells and expansion etc, but that would be the granddady of topic derailments, so I won't.
 
Misquoted entirely. I never 'wanted a bible instead of being a Hindu', I simply took one when they were being given out at school without even thinking anything of it. I like free things,, I would gladly take a koran and read it if one had ever ben handed to me for free, but I wont make any effort to obtain one myself because I dont actually want one.



That is a great misinterperation of what I had originally meant.



^^ As for this:


I have NEVER advocated nor suggested that any harm should come to aany MUSLIM person based on my opinions of ISLAM and religion in general.


Exactly a mis-representation and mis-interpretaion of what you meant, I agree, but it demonstates something you are doing regarding Islam and the Qur'an.
 
It's more unlikely that there is an omnipresent god that created the universe in comparison to scientific knowledge and the odds of life forming.
 
Exactly a mis-representation and mis-interpretaion of what you meant, I agree, but it demonstates something you are doing regarding Islam and the Qur'an.

But what I say is based on what the Koran and the religion of Islam advocates and teaches, such as:

Why Mohammed was not a prophet:

One who claims to be a messenger of God is expected to live a saintly life. He must not be given to lust, he must not be a sexual pervert, and he must not be a rapist, a highway robber, a war criminal, a mass murderer or an assassin. One who claims to be a messenger of God must have a superior character. He must stand above the vices of the people of his time. Yet Muhammad’s life is that of a gangster godfather. He raided merchant caravans, looted innocent people, massacred entire male populations and enslaved the women and children. He raped the women captured in war after killing their husbands and told his followers that it is okay to have sex with their captives and their “right hand possessions” (Quran 33:50) He assassinated those who criticized him and executed them when he came to power and became de facto despot of Arabia. Muhammad was bereft of human compassion. He was an obsessed man with his dreams of grandiosity and could not forgive those who stood in his way. Muhammad was a narcissist like Hitler, Saddam or Stalin. He was astute and knew how to manipulate people, but his emotional intelligence was less evolved than that of a 6-year-old child. He simply could not feel the pain of others. He brutally massacred thousands of innocent people and pillaged their wealth. His ambitions were big and as a narcissist he honestly believed he is entitled to do as he pleased and commit all sorts of crimes and his evil deeds are justified.

^^ Not my own words, but exactly how I feel. What I say is not an attack on any individual Muslim or person, but a criticism of a belief system.
 
Indeed, but Neil's view should be respected nonetheless, as should yours and mine, even Bhavv's.

As a Physicist I could explain Gravity Wells and expansion etc, but that would be the granddady of topic derailments, so I won't.

your right they should. even though i dont agree with what neil said he has the right to say it
 
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